Disaster at local IAM Ride Out!!

[frenchuk]

Well you said it mate...

You know what they say - until you know you can't change.

Me, I ride with the idea that every other fooker on the road is out to get me .. and that includes other bikers..

My guess is that most of us do that, pretty basic really... But how is that relevant to trying to make yourself as visible as possible or conscious lack of any visibilty for certain riders who just consider it uncool?

I developed the way I ride over the past 40 years inc several dispatching all over the country including London.. Had a few very minor offs over the years so spose I aint really an expert like some on here LOL !!

Riding in London 40 years ago cannot be compared to riding in London now - crashing due to other people sometimes simply cannot be avoided, you were simply lucky to never be more damaged in your 'minor offs'. So for the 'expert' comment, cheap shot.

 

[derek kelly]

I know of certain people who have taken their advanced driving test, they still drive like idiots, but now they are under the misapprehension that they are experts and everyone else on the road is an idiot.

Does IAM really teach you to be a safer rider? doesn't self preservation and experience built up over the years teach you the best way to ride? we all pick up bad habits & I would imagine that anyone who does an IAM course would eventually fall back into those habits, that is the nature of the human being.

 

[Wolfie]

no, i think training could be important, and i also believe that if you are trained well then it will stay with you.

BUT

at the same time when i have seen the group from around here IAM/or the other lot i know not which, i do not agree with their we are better than thou approach as they block the feckin the road to stop anybody going pass them.

 

[msw2805]

Hear Hear Pretty Blue - my sentiments exactimondo.....:bow:

 

[ianrobbo1]

may be worth doing the IAM just "to see" and the insurance discount would be "handy" as well,!!

 

[Jaws]

Were there dispatchers 40 years ago ???
If there was I was not one of them ! Re cheap shot.... I have PM d you

 

[Centaur]

Been there....didn't do it

I joined our local IAM Group about three years ago and took the instruction until my observer reckoned I was ready to take the test. By then I was in violent disagreement with a couple of their tenets that I didn't bother to take the test.......besides with a beard I would look like Santa Claus!

 

[derek kelly]

Were there dispatchers 40 years ago ???
If there was I was not one of them ! Re cheap shot.... I have PM d you

There were dispatchers 60 years ago,

 

[Steamy]

My beloved one bought me the IAM course for my birthday this year. I've yet to start it and will do so with an open mind. I ma a fully qualified DAS Instructor and I try to instill a sense of safety into as many people as I can. I use the saying of the 7 P's - Proper Planning and Preparation Prevent Piss Poor Performance. By looking ahead and seeing what's going on further away you can act quicker and in a less hurried way. Like all Blackbird riders I know I have a very fast machine underneath me and I have to respect the power. On the other hand, I have a machine that's capable of getting out of the crap if needed. It's down to me to ride properly in the first place to prevent having to take evasive actions. I have worked with the Police in the past (helping them with their enquiries doesn't constitute working with them, by the way:xm ) and the majority of the guys I've spoken to have all said the same thing, namely go and do the IAM as it is another set of skills that are all useful. I would like to do the ROSPA Diploma at some point as well, but I believe it is very expensive. I will let you all know how I get on with my IAM course and what I think of their methods. It's all good knowledge and up to the individual to use what they feel is best for them.

And, yes, I have just added something sensible, before anybody says anything!:yo:

 

[Jaws]

I would never ever suggest advanced training is not worth while..

What I would suggest is that rather than go with IAM and taking a chance on what you get, why not go with someone like Bob Pinder who is a shit hot instructor .. Could it be the cost ? But as so many have said in the past, what cost your life and safety !

Now THAT type of advanced training is well worth your time and effort

 

[JanSi]

Did any one notice the long haired girl from the eleventh photo on with no lid?

Just goes to prove alway worth putting on some protective clothing reflective or otherwise.

I did the IAM test and don't have a beard (well can't grow one!!!)

 

[Fat Bert]

Oi Lim Plump~~

The cost of a decent training day is peanuts compared to, even, a small off through lack of awareness. Crappy fookin carbon effect brake levers and the like seem to be more important to the Blackbird cognescenti.

The awareness gained from DCENT training is invaluable, it can help against myopic numpties by being AWARE of what is going on. All youi class 1 drivers out there should be aware of the advantages of increased awareness.

and what would you know about it anyway?

You try to slag off the Bird members when you don't even have a bird yourself [of either variety]

Get a bike... get a life..then come back and teach us all your Holiness!!

:wank: :wank:

 

[Steamy]

Okay then Lumpy. Let me tell you a little about myself. I learnt to ride whilst a serving soldier and have been riding on the road for 21 years now. I got my first bike at 7 years old and spent my evenings, weekends and holidays blatting round the family farm. My grandfather won the Isle of Man in 1924 (don't ask me what class, I don't know) his name was Ronald Burns, if anybody has any info on him then cool. MY uncle rode with Mike Hailwood as a Ducati test rider in the 50's and 60', thus bikes are in my blood.

As a DAS instructor I come in the top 10 in the whole of the UK, out of 7,500 instructors. My pass rate is 100% and the worst points I have had from a pupil is 8 minors. My average is 2 or 3. A perfect test sheet is 0, of which I have had a few. I pride myself on my training techniques and my abilities as a biker in general. I love emparting knowledge, especially to people who genuinely wish to learn to ride.

Yes, I have had accidents, some my own fault in the early days and a couple caused by people not looking when "diving" out of side turnings. I also got arse-ended by a dustcart on the King's Road in Chelsea when I was sat at a red traffic light, great fun!

I will take the IAM course, especially as it was a present, and I will let you know my opinions afterwards. I hope it will be more constructive than what I have read so far. watch this space!!

 

[Wolfie]

fuck must stop drinking!!!!

NO BIKE, NO LIFE, BUT STILL LESS ERRATIC THAN YOU

thought it said less errotic

 

[Cyclops]

:t :t Dont be silly billys


it can not be an IAM rideout, not one of them is wearing a high visability jacket and I can not see many beards

 

[Shalershasker]

I work with an IAM instructor who is going to get me through the test. The way I look at it is tests are not the end all and be all of the training, i've always relied more on my experiance in riding than worry about what one person says and taking that as being gospal, admittadley my experiance on my present bird is limited coz i've only had it a few months, but i've already learned loads more about riding a big bike as aposed to the little ZXR 400 I had before i.e. positioning a big bike with a larger turning circle, things that are probably standard to you guys but new to me. After the new bird arrives i will do the test with an open mind and intend to take what i need from it and continue to build on experiance, it's all just a big learning curve, how steep you make that curve is up to you.:neenaw: c7u8

P.S. how the hell do you guys insert quotes in your replies.:dunno:

 

[Adam Rickenberg]

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P.S. how the hell do you guys insert quotes in your replies.:dunno:

If you look at the bottom right corner of every post, you'll see a "Quote" button. Click that and a new reply page will open with the persons original quote inserted at the top of your text box...... Simple! Q.E.D.

HTH

 

[Gerrard]

IAM

I think Lumps has the right idea.
You can take all the tests you like but years of riding experience is the best way of learning.
I also think that minor 'coming-offs' give you more insight as to your capabilities and as an on-going learning curve they can instill confidence, allthough no-one ever teaches you that you that do they?! I have always thought a rider thats been down the road a time or two and learned from the experience should be a better rider for it if they apply their new found knowledge to their overall riding.
Another funny thing is that 'they' say getting your knee down is wrong, but those that can or almost can - as long as they are doing it out of experience and not stupidity - have more overall confidence than those that go round a corner upright.

 

[Adam Rickenberg]

I think Lumps has the right idea.
You can take all the tests you like but years of riding experience is the best way of learning.
I also think that minor 'coming-offs' give you more insight as to your capabilities and as an on-going learning curve they can instill confidence, allthough no-one ever teaches you that you that do they?! I have always thought a rider thats been down the road a time or two and learned from the experience should be a better rider for it if they apply their new found knowledge to their overall riding.
Another funny thing is that 'they' say getting your knee down is wrong, but those that can or almost can - as long as they are doing it out of experience and not stupidity - have more overall confidence than those that go round a corner upright.

I agree with that statement Graphite.ES.........

Same sentiment as Jaws said earlier - years of experience on the road is probably the best teacher of all, whilst a balanced view of rider training programs always helps.

Just take what you learn on-board and adapt it to your riding style - after all, the more you ride, the better you become.

 

[derek kelly]

Doesn't matter how many tests/courses you take, or how good a rider you think you are, we all have shit days.