Disaster at local IAM Ride Out!!

[Fat Bert]

Must have slipped on a beard!!

http://galnedansken.com/ny_sida_19.htm

 

[ianrobbo1]

now let me see can I remember back to last week when this first appeared on here???

 

[Coggy]

Think its in Russia?

%$fan

 

[Foggy63]

IAM

It was in Russia, a ride out in to Moscow to be precise.
Shame so many of you berate the efforts of the IAM and there members - and all for endeavouring to raise the standards of riding on our roads.
Personally I think it or an equivalent should be compulsory after "passing your test". (awaits copious abuse) man8um















ps. BLACK ONES ARE THE FASTEST

 

[Bikerbaby]

ps. BLACK ONES ARE THE FASTEST

The faster they are the harder they fall

 

[derek kelly]

The faster they are the harder they fall

Not always true, I have done more damage to myself slipping on diesel pulling away at a junction than I have coming off at speed.

 

[Stevebrooke]

Not always true, I have done more damage pulling myself off with diesel than I have coming at speed.

Really, Derek?

 

[Stevebrooke]

Personally I think it or an equivalent should be compulsory after "passing your test".

Most people don't bother with the IAM as they are too afraid to have their riding criticised. They pass their test and think "that's it, I can do what I wan't now". Or they think they are good riders because they can do wheelies and fly down the motorway at 135

I've passed the test for both bike and car and they are two achievements of which I'm very proud :bow:

 

[ianrobbo1]

I've passed the test for both bike and car and they are two achievements of which I'm very proud :bow:

and so you should be Steve!! :bow: see I dont care what others say g0551p

 

[Jaws]

Shame so many of you berate the efforts of the IAM and there members - and all for endeavouring to raise the standards of riding on our roads.

Ahhh. well I think the important word there is "endeavouring"

Now I cannot speak for groups in other areas, only those I have had the misfortune to come across...

Every IAM person I have had the misfortune to deal with has been as flexible as an iron rod..

What they say is correct

The methods they use are the ONLY correct ones

The road position they take is the only one to take.

Everyone who is not with them is an idiot who cannot ride and is a danger to both them selves and others...

In fact your words, "Personally I think it or an equivalent should be compulsory after "passing your test" " seems to sum up the general attitude I have found... Quite obviously you consider people who have not done the biz are unsafe.. otherwise why would you make such a suggestion ?

Heres my thoughts..

There is a direct correlation between the amount of reflective material worn and the level riders THINK they have achieved..

After seeing IAM observers making basic and potentially lethal mistakes whilst passing judgement on others, my personal view is that the whole scheme needs scrapping and starting over !

There is a basic problem with the whole idea.. When you are suggesting to a new rider that this or that is the CORRECT thing to do, said new rider will do what is suggested REGARDLESS of the situation as they do not have the road experience to know better..

I appreciate this discussion can go round in circles for ever, but I can give exact anecdotal evidence..
I recently had to go and collect the remains of a 250 wet dream.. Guy had passed his test 4 months earlier and gone straight to an IAM group..

He was following the 'advice' when he hit a car head on coming round a bend.. all he kept saying was 'but I was in the correct position, the car was wrong'.

Yup.. but that fact did not fix his bike or very badly bruised leg and arm !
He he had ridden to the road rather than what he had been told ( cos he was told the safest place to take a left hander was far out towards the crown and he did not have the experience to know better ) the car would have missed him ..












ps. BLACK ONES ARE THE FASTEST[/QUOTE]

 

[Stevebrooke]

Every IAM person I have had the misfortune to deal with has been as flexible as an iron rod..

What they say is correct

The methods they use are the ONLY correct ones

The road position they take is the only one to take.

They must be real bad in Norfolk John.

When I was under instruction the man was always hammering home "you MUST give up your position for safety". Regardless of the IAM techniques safety was always his overriding concern. :bow:

 

[Jaws]

And there ya go Steve.. your experiences were obviously very posative and worthwhile.. While others........
Well lets say all the horror storys you read/hear about cannot ALL be made up mate.. there are very definite issues concerning IAM that need to be addressed urgently !

 

[pretty blue]

The IAM methods are the same as used by the police who I consider to be amongst the best riders in the land :bow: . The main thrust of any advanced riding training is to create a thinking rider who demonstrates flexibility in dealing with hazards.
John we have discussed your experience with IAM groups last year but as I pointed out then the IAM view is that positioning to obtain the view for bends is a lower priority than safety and stability.
Overall any IAM group is made up of riders with a mixture of skills both in riding and the ability to pass on those skills(Training) and whilst some associates will be exposed to those who skills may not be at the top of the tree the overall level of training given is to a good standard. As you know this level is only the starting point of advanced riding.
I have been training for 13 months (test on Friday) to reach the required standard to become an observer (yes I am a slow learner :xm ) but the rigour in establishing the level is very high in my IAM club

And yes I do have a beard

 

[blumeeni]

Well at least the b/bird in the middle of the last pic survived

 

[pretty blue]

Only because it is a slow black one and was too late getting there!

 

[derek kelly]

Only because it is a slow black one and was too late getting there!

It's obvious, he was lapping them.

 

[frenchuk]

There is a direct correlation between the amount of reflective material worn and the level riders THINK they have achieved.

I must be a total wanker then, since I just bought this jacket below... Now, maybe when you ride among cows it doesn't matter to be visible, but when you ride with cars all around you being visible is a plus, and being noticed is essential.

Hi-vis stuff might not be very popular with those bikers who wanna look mean and hard and rebels like - having said that, self-preservation has nothing to do with trying to belong and feel like we are resepcted and accepted by the ones we choose to be our peers.

 

[Jaws]

Well you said it mate...

Me, I ride with the idea that every other fooker on the road is out to get me .. and that includes other bikers..

I developed the way I ride over the past 40 years inc several dispatching all over the country including London.. Had a few very minor offs over the years so spose I aint really an expert like some on here LOL !!

 

[Fat Bert]

Really~~~??

The IAM methods are the same as used by the police ...........
And yes I do have a beard

Really and who told you that? IAM at a guess

I had some instruction from the Police Instructors' Instructor [responsible for all Police Instructors across the entire West Midlands] - yes you read it right .... the bloke who instructs the instructors

He rides an R1 - and bloody quickly and safely at that

His opinion was that IAM riding ideals were so outdated - just to ignore and read the Police Instructors Handbook

True - there are some similarities - but not many. Thereagain there are some IAM principles that I find down right dangerous

What about ROSPA? Lord Pinder is a Gold Instructor and he doesn't rate IAM methods particularly highly either

So who to believe? IAM or Police/ROSPA/experienced riders I respect?

Beard? - Case proven m'lud

 

[Cyclops]

Yeah but Bertie you would have been better having instruction from the Police Instructors' Instructor Instructor