Bird crash at Bassetts Pole bike meet...

[D.S.]

and here comes Get-a-life with more words of wisdom :bow:

 

[Nightflight]

You're right - we shouldn't start slanging.

I'm sorry that DS lost his cousin and maybe it was no fault of his own. I didn't know the guy or what happened. I don't even know DS - so why did I even respond so aggressively....

I do/ did know quite a number of people who are now either banned, incapacitated, or sadly - dead.

I perhaps didn't put my point over very well. All I was trying to say is that everyone has to be the almost impossible - and be even more than 100 per cent on today's roads.

There's a chance for each of us to get erased through no fault of our own - even though we might be doing everything we can to stay safe and still somehow enjoy getting out on the bike. You just accept that risk of doing what you enjoy.

I can only speak from my own direct experience (not stuff I learnt on a website or read about in some magazine - I mean actual experience at first hand gathered over 25 years of riding and racing bikes) - and overwhelmingly that is "GENERALLY" (please note that): there's a huge amount of needless accidents that are destined by the rider and nobody else. And, unfortunately -there's still all this bullshit bravado about not being a gifted rider unless you can wheely or get your knee down. (For anyone off to The Wheel tomorrow night, just listen in to some of the conversations and tell me I'm wrong)...

And now we have the consequences.

 

[Sphere]

shame

I think nothing is 100%, you can have the best bike, the best conditions and still something go wrong a bird flying into your face and theres nothing you can do about it. The point of this thread was that a woman diedafter a bike crashed out, a shame it happened and hope that it does not happen again, as the thread has grow people have had there say, everyone has there opinion but at the end of the day it is done now and no matter how much slagging off goes on nothing will change, I hope none of you find yourself in that place where after you get off you bike you think what the hell was i thinking of. be safe play safe and if anything does go wong then i hope you are able to walk away from it in 1 peice and everyone else involved also walks away.



:bow: !!! BLUE is best !!! :bow:

 

[skippy]

That twat who ploughed his bike into a crowd, sure he's a muppet and probably hasn't got a clue about roadcraft, but if ya think roadcraft will save the day every time, then good luck to ya.

I must agree with your point there Joe, good roadcraft and adequate skills can only go so far in avoiding grief there is always something that will be beyond a riders control.

We all know the risks and sometimes push the envelope a bit .........or a lot...or even more whatever the case may be ...........there is a price to pay and if we push the envelope just that little bit too far and it all goes pear shaped it is only a weak cop out pointing the finger of blame at the local councils, the crowds, your mates for egging you on, the tyre manufactuer for not having enough grip, the bike manufacturer for not designing in better handling or more ground clearence, etc,etc sure they all had a small part to play in it but all said and done we are in control we make the decisions we take the chances if we fook up and it goes horribly wrong .............we are responsible nobody else.

 

[reefer]

cant say ive read all the posts to this thread but from the few end ones i have read i can say you take a chance as a spectator at any motorsport, it seems the more fun ones are simply more dangerous..you watch bikes arseing about and stand by the road you put yourself in that postion!
if you go and watch rally cars tearing through forests doing 3 figure speeds on loose gravel mud etc and then stand 15 feet away from the path of it..same situation as far as i can see

 

[HeavensFire]

Equal Responsibility!

STOP ARGUEING! - Equal responsibility, both to the riders to ride safely and the spectators, not to put them selves in a position to be injured!
There are always mitigating circumstances, but, we are all responsible for what we do!.............Be it, rider or spectator!

 

[RHINO]

HEAVENSFIRE

Totally correct........ rider skill can help prevent many many un-wanted situations but sadly not all. Reading the road and making risk assesments is a split second thing and your not always gonna get it right.
Look at CLIVE, a highly experienced, defensive and steady rider yet comes to grief through totally unavoidable circumstances,, avoidable only by staying in doors..
Had it been somebody else riding Clives PAN that day then i may have pointed the finger and cast aspersions.
Accidents DO happen but i do believe the rider at BASSETS POLE was to blame for his mis-judgement and also the poor woman was a victim of her own ignorance to the possibility of mistake. The outright blame MUST fall upon the rider of the wayward bike.
As far as a penalty for the rider, 3 months prison, 5 yr ban and the guilty concience for life! :violin:

 

[Wolfie]

Ah shit!!! me too lumpy!!!

Equal responsibility, both to the riders to ride safely and the spectators, not to put them selves in a position to be injured!

Correct, but you missed out the highways and byways, for not repairing said road, it's their job, they own you a safe standard of road to travel on.

we are responsible nobody else

Sorry can not agree to take, too many other things to influence what happens.

There's a chance for each of us to get erased through no fault of our own - even though we might be doing everything we can to stay safe and still somehow enjoy getting out on the bike. You just accept that risk of doing what you enjoy.

I do accept that risk, BUT there is also the same chance that we may crash through no fault of our own.

If that was too fast for the conditions irespective of the road conditions, breakdowns, or even spectators because he should have known better than to ride over the bikes limit at that time.

and of course the rider knew exactly what was going to happen/be in the road, that his front/rear wheel would wash out, that there was diesel/oil/beer/puke, a stone kicked of the kerb, a pothole there etc etc etc. if anybody knows all the above when they ride, then give us the numbers for the lottery next week please.

It's no use crying about gravel, diesel, bits falling off trucks, people pulling out, etc.... Those things will never stop

Correct they will never stop , as long as riders/bikers/motorcyclists/scooterboys/cyclists/car drivers/truck drivers continue to do feck all about them. We are entitled to a safe road to ride on. How many potholes have people reported ?????? They have to inspect the hole within 7 days (i think) and repair within a further seven days. Mud /shit from a farm is an offence report it. Diesel spills report them.


Good point Rhino about clive, he was blow by a gust of wind!!! across 3 lanes into the central, so is that his fault?????


Each and every crashes/accident needs to taken on its own, and looked at with the FACTS, before anybody jumps to conclusions, Innocent until proven guilty.

But this rider has already been jailed by 2 or 3 of you with hardly any facts!!!!

And as to the all crashes are the riders fault people BULLSHIT.

 

[frenchuk]

Correct they will never stop , as long as riders/bikers/motorcyclists/scooterboys/cyclists/car drivers/truck drivers continue to do feck all about them. We are entitled to a safe road to ride on. How many potholes have people reported ?????? They have to inspect the hole within 7 days (i think) and repair within a further seven days. Mud /shit from a farm is an offence report it. Diesel spills report them.

can't agree more wolfie - last year I posted an idea I had: to create a website where people can report potholes etc (that were also reported to the relevant councils) so that councils couldn't pretend the nothing was reported in the event somebody would crash in it - as they would be liable for physical and material damages arising from road defects previously reported. It could easily be divided in areas covering each council in UK, with faults reported being automatically forwarded to the relevant councils, and of course many other ideas could arise - I would do it but don't have the knowledge, it needs to handle interactive database I guess - but for a techie it shouldn't be TOO hard.
When I posted that idea which could effectively solve the problems of shit roads in UK (or improve it anyway)... nobody picked up on the idea. Maybe it's flawed but I can't see where and nobody commented on it. If it's not flawed and is indeed a good idea... well the idea is here and I'd be happy to contribute in developping it. Now let's see if other people are willing to DO something about it.

 

[Wolfie]

last year I posted an idea I had: to create a website where people can report potholes etc (that were also reported to the relevant councils)

MAG already do it pierre, should be a link button on each one of their websites. The closest mag to me has 2 potholes, in quite a large area, just goes to show that people dont give a shit and will just roll over and be told what to do.

 

[frenchuk]

Didn't know that, thanks Andy - have about 12,346 to report for London alone... better start now! I think there should be a button link to it from this site or any biker's site... admin?
Better still, they should make a stand-alone website like, www.reportroaddefects.co.uk, or www.roadstofix.co.uk, or something!

 

[reefer]

ok you have all had your say..so im locking the thread now %$fan

coat, lid, whoosh R#?

 

[Fat Bert]

No Win Situation~~~

Had the "event" been better policed - then crowds would have been moved further back - and stunts curtailed.

Then everyone would be "bleating on" about heavy-handed policing

No win - no win

At the end of the day individuals have to be responsible for their own actions and decisions - spectators and/or riders

For one I would welcome the resiting of all Gatso's to outside schools where a mandatory 20mph limit should be inforce

This morning saw a twat on a Gixter who must have been doing 60mph past an infant school at 8.50am

Now just how stupid is THAT?

 

[mikew]

Anyway ...

according to the comic yesterday, it was a CBR1000 that dun the deed, so since 'Bird riders are so much better, it wouldn't have happened, so ...
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now what can we all argue about!!!! :}

 

[D.S.]

does it matter what it was? The poor woman is now dead.

 

[Codbasher]

I was once told by a Police Accident Investigator that there is no such thing as an 'accident' There is always a cause of it, be it excessive speed, bad surface, poor rider/driver skills etc etc.

Tis true about spectators, I have forgotton how many times I have stood within 5 yards of Rally cars on the RAC Lombard trying to get 'the' ultimate photo, I guess I relied on thier skills not to wipe me out, would not do it now though.





Have a good un at the BASH, I'm not jealous................................Bastids :xm

 

[mikew]

You are correct, sorry ...

does it matter what it was? The poor woman is now dead.

I misread the original posts, and hadn't realised that it was a fatality, so my comments are/were out of line, apologies to any and all who might have been offended by my last remarks.

Mike