Bird crash at Bassetts Pole bike meet...

[1200Pete]

Would it really be so hard for the local council of each county, to set an area of land aside so people could play and others could watch in safety :dunno:
I don't think many people would mind paying a tenner to play and that in turn could fund a few marshals and the St Johns.

Or what we could do is just keep paying the law millions to try and stop people doing what they are going to do. :bang: :bang: :bang:

 

[Wolfie]

Sorry to hear of the womans death.

a geezer on what looked like a Super Blackbird looses control while 'sparking' his knee sliders at about 50mph and the bike flies into the un-protected crowd inches away from the road.

So getting yer knee down, means that the rider should go to jail, be banned for life etc etc etc????

The road condition we have already heard is crap, are the local gov. going to be taken to court for letting it get that way???? no!!

the people are standing inches from the bikes, you go to unorganised meets you have to take the risk nobody else just you.

If there was no people there watching would that rider still off riden the same way??? More than likely.

what is the speed limit on the road????

Lets get all the facts first.

Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.

 

[skippy]

Sorry to hear of the womans death.

So getting yer knee down, means that the rider should go to jail, be banned for life etc etc etc????

If it was in an inapropriate place at an inapropriate time and resulted in the death of a bystander and injuries to others (for whatever reason they were bystanding) by all means most definately, after all the rider / driver in control has the ultimate resposibility to operate their vehicle with due care and attention regarding the safety of all other people, animals and property in the general vicinity of said operation.

Ps I'm a sinner too and if I'd done the same I'd expect to be crucified for my lack of good judgement as well.

 

[Wolfie]

As i said before lets have the facts first.

What caused him to lose control????

gravel??? road surface ????

People standing on the road as he came around the corner????

I will reserve my judgment until the facts are here.

But i bet that there is more than one element here that is too be blamed.

 

[malc]

only one

Afraid there is only one person to blame, you can not blame the road surface, spectators or any one other than the rider, he should be able to ride in a manner where he is able to stop safely in a crowded area, if he is riding to impress others then he was in charge of what he did, don't look else where blame the rider

 

[orlandorich]

No Rich, the number is issued but not the plate. When you buy a new vehicle the dealer fits them but if one gets damaged you have to replace it yourself. The standard size for a bike is about 9 by 9 inches, almost big enough to hang-glide on. The font size is about two and a quarter inches high so it can be read by an orbiting spy satellite.
Bikers like to fit smaller custom plates but if the police stop you they often issue a warning but they can give you a ticket. The penalty is a fine, but not penalty points.

Thanks XXL , I understand now.

 

[Wolfie]

so if the front wheel washed out on some unseen gravel/pothole as he came around the bend then that is his fault is it???

if he is riding to impress others then he was in charge of what he did

IF We have no facts to prove that.

don't look else where blame the rider

Thats what everybody else is doing to all of us now. Whether it is our fault or not.

Bikes crashes kills somebody, hurts people etc etc and it is all the riders fault???? Crock of shit.

Yes sometimes it is all down to the rider when a bike crashes, but everything i have stated also causes them as well as mechanical failure. Dont blame anybody without the facts that is all i trying to say.

Am going to try and bail out of this thread now before i go to far.

 

[malc]

fact is

The one known fact is that he was in charge of the bike, if he couldnt see around a corner or similar then he was going to fast because he couldnt stop, if the area was crowded then he should not have been driving in a manner that made him liable to fall off and hit one of the crowd. It is his responsibility just as it is ours if we fall off the bike because of too much speed for the conditions at the time.

 

[1200Pete]

Sorry to hear of the womans death.




So getting yer knee down, means that the rider should go to jail, be banned for life etc etc etc????

The road condition we have already heard is crap, are the local gov. going to be taken to court for letting it get that way???? no!!

the people are standing inches from the bikes, you go to unorganised meets you have to take the risk nobody else just you.

If there was no people there watching would that rider still off riden the same way??? More than likely.

what is the speed limit on the road????

Lets get all the facts first.

Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.

Well said :bow: I for one am absolutely fooked right off with this cotton wool covered fooking attitude every one has these days

 

[Nightflight]

I agree with malc -

The buck stops with the rider.

It's that simple.

Now you all know by now - when you decide to ride a bike you take full control over every possible or emerging scenario. And then some others too ! It's no use crying about gravel, diesel, bits falling off trucks, people pulling out, etc.... Those things will never stop - so it's down to the rider to be able to ride defensively/ suitably and apply appropriate roadcraft. (For some people this is difficult - because it MUST always be someone elses fault ...)

I've watched many many people get their knee down on the island and the exiting "chicane" in question and I've always marvelled that no-one crashed there before - because the surface is very poor. It's both shiny and cracked.
(And - it's a major potential for diesel too, as this is a major road for HGV's).

Only a fool would try and get right over on this exit.

As for the spectators.... - yes it has been getting increasingly worse for a long time. On fine evenings, it's just teeming with hordes of people. There's been times when it's difficult even to park a bike !! Even moronic parents bringing the children right up to the roadside for a good viewing. But nobody deserves to die for being daft enough to watch our foolishness on bikes (ridden well or not).

No doubt all the facts will come out in due course - but don't try and make out any rider isn't responsible for his or her actions.

(PS - I was involved in 2 fairly serious bike accidents so far. Technically, neither were my fault. Years later though, I know I could have avoided them if I had applied proper roadcraft and improved observation).

As they say - it's no good being in the right and dead !

 

[skippy]

I agree with malc -

The buck stops with the rider.

It's that simple.

Now you all know by now - when you decide to ride a bike you take full control over every possible or emerging scenario. And then some others too ! It's no use crying about gravel, diesel, bits falling off trucks, people pulling out, etc.... Those things will never stop - so it's down to the rider to be able to ride defensively/ suitably and apply appropriate roadcraft. (For some people this is difficult - because it MUST always be someone elses fault ...)

I've watched many many people get their knee down on the island and the exiting "chicane" in question and I've always marvelled that no-one crashed there before - because the surface is very poor. It's both shiny and cracked.
(And - it's a major potential for diesel too, as this is a major road for HGV's).

Only a fool would try and get right over on this exit.

As for the spectators.... - yes it has been getting increasingly worse for a long time. On fine evenings, it's just teeming with hordes of people. There's been times when it's difficult even to park a bike !! Even moronic parents bringing the children right up to the roadside for a good viewing. But nobody deserves to die for being daft enough to watch our foolishness on bikes (ridden well or not).

No doubt all the facts will come out in due course - but don't try and make out any rider isn't responsible for his or her actions.

(PS - I was involved in 2 fairly serious bike accidents so far. Technically, neither were my fault. Years later though, I know I could have avoided them if I had applied proper roadcraft and improved observation).

As they say - it's no good being in the right and dead !

:bow: Amen :bow:

 

[Wolfie]

I've watched many many people get their knee down on the island and the exiting "chicane" in question and I've always marvelled that no-one crashed there before - because the surface is very poor. It's both shiny and cracked.(And - it's a major potential for diesel too, as this is a major road for HGV's).

Only a fool would try and get right over on this exit.

Fool yes if you know the road. But if you are expecting the local higways and byways to do their jobs???? No way. If the condition of the road has at all helped this rider crash then the people responsible should be made to pay as well.

Not all crashes are our fault!!

The media has already won, biking will come to an end, because we do not stand united and fight for what is our rights. Welcome to moped-ville. Well done everybody you have handed them victory on a plate. :bang: :bang: :bang:

 

[skippy]

Fool yes if you know the road. But if you are expecting the local higways and byways to do their jobs???? No way. If the condition of the road has at all helped this rider crash then the people responsible should be made to pay as well.

Not all crashes are our fault!!

The media has already won, biking will come to an end, because we do not stand united and fight for what is our rights. Welcome to moped-ville. Well done everybody you have handed them victory on a plate. :bang: :bang: :bang:

No the numptie that got his capabilities confused with his liabilities did that and all his supporters!

 

[Rolfy Dave]

Just been to Bassetts Pole .....

... I was there at just after 3 this afternoon... The police were already there patrolling... 2 bikes, and one car, but I reckon thats only the start of it... I have heard on the radio today that they will be checking for everything tonight (plates/cans/insurance/tax/licence/tyres...everything) with a fine toothe comb... must admit, it had to happen soon...its a wonder that it hadnt happened before with some of the antics of the bikers, and the crowd cheering them on....

I will be going to the Wheel tomorrow, so I wonder what sort of backlash it will have on that meeting as well.

Heres to a good peaceful enjoyable evening at both events...

If you go to either... be safe, and have a good time.

Best wishes,

Rolfy
:beer:

 

[Nightflight]

lumpy -

that's probably the biggest load of rubbish I've yet seen on ANY forum.

So, now, the crowd were actually at fault ultimately....??

So - on that basis - if you crash your bike because you were, say, looking at a nice field of golden wheat that took your concentration away briefly (bear with me) - then, the field of wheat is ultimately to blame for your crashing out ? Like - it was nothing to do with you. You weren't even there ??!

Can I ask - how did you manage to obtain a driving licence ?

 

[Nightflight]

What a diabolical insult !!!!!!!!

Of course I own a Blackbird !!!!!! :yo:

 

[D.S.]

Now you all know by now - when you decide to ride a bike you take full control over every possible or emerging scenario. And then some others too ! It's no use crying about gravel, diesel, bits falling off trucks, people pulling out, etc.... Those things will never stop - so it's down to the rider to be able to ride defensively/ suitably and apply appropriate roadcraft. (For some people this is difficult - because it MUST always be someone elses fault ...)

Tell that to my dead cousin you toss pot; killed on a motorcycle through absolutley no fault of his own. People like you really fuck me off :bang:

 

[Nightflight]

And people like you really fuck me off too.

Do you think you're the only person who lost someone in a bike accident.

Tosspot yourself into oblivion.

 

[malc]

Ok then

Now people are down to using insults to put over their point. Why can't you accept that the rider controls the bike and he decides how fast to ride the thing. If that was too fast for the conditions irespective of the road conditions, breakdowns, or even spectators because he should have known better than to ride over the bikes limit at that time.

Don't bother insulting me, or implying that I dont even have a Blackbird or cant ride a bike because you will only make yourselves appear even more stupid than you are being over this.

The rider was to blame, end of story

 

[D.S.]

Look you fookin muppets, my comments were in respect of

And then some others too ! It's no use crying about gravel, diesel, bits falling off trucks, people pulling out, etc.... Those things will never stop - so it's down to the rider to be able to ride defensively/ suitably and apply appropriate roadcraft. (For some people this is difficult - because it MUST always be someone elses fault ...)

And that is total bollox. Does the above not read as "all accidents can be avoided", no matter what if ya have the appropriate roadcraft? How does one legislate/allow for bits falling off trucks then, people driving into you when you're waiting for a set of lights to change, a diesel spill the size of the oil slick created by the Amoco Cadiz; appropriate roadcraft my arse.

That twat who ploughed his bike into a crowd, sure he's a muppet and probably hasn't got a clue about roadcraft, but if ya think roadcraft will save the day every time, then good luck to ya.