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[DLN1965]

If someone walked into a pub with his attitude then expect to get nutted, spat on etc etc, you would think he would learn something from that, but no, off he goes to the next pub to get nutted and spat at, nothing to do with his colour, its the attitude.

You really cannot teach a plank of wood.


Just ban the :wank: and we can get on with the piss taking.

I was thinking along similar lines ....

I can't say I've ever been in a situation were I got head butted. Spat at, or punched ...... Apart from when I was at school !!!!

Like you say .... You can't teach some people !!!

 

[Barrie]

There is a whole lot of very strong feelings on this thread.

I feel a poll coming on.. Providing it gets more than a few votes ( either way ) I will abide by the outcome.
If there are only a few votes then that cannot really be considered a valid poll though and the status quo will stay as is..

I will think about it this afternoon

Erm! Doesn't Status Quo mean, "As things are?" Sorry, John, just trying to lighten the mood. man8um

 

[Jaws]

Erm! Doesn't Status Quo mean, "As things are?" Sorry, John, just trying to lighten the mood. man8um

Ummm .. yes ? :dunno: :-0)

 

[sr71caspar]

Ummm .. yes ? :dunno: :-0)

I believe Barrie is pointing out the tautology of "the status quo will stay as it is";-0)):-0)

 

[Davey Bee]

My apologies for this being a long post, most will have fallen asleep before the end.

Firstly Davey you said I've been nutted, spat on, abused in the street, in the pub, countless times before I opened my mouth, so not because of my character (a nob)but because of the colour of my skin

For that to happen to you is simply wrong but I need to remind you that NO ONE from bird did that, no one from bird was involved with that and no one from bird approved of that and purely based on how you interact in BIRD I would have to ask are you sure it was because of your skin colour and or was it because you behaved in real life as you behave in bird in that you are acting like a cock?

The continual reference of your colour in a negative way has been mostly by you and you alone. Most people in the beginning did not even know your colour or cared, all we saw and continue to see is an angry cock on the internet. Honestly no one cares what a members colour is, they simply do not.

Comparing yourself as some kind of martyred intelligencia like Jesus or Ghandi for me either makes it clear you are unable to see the idiocy of your false racist claims or you see the whole thing as a joke.

I'm not expecting you to agree Davey, I get that but I suspect this is not the first forum you have had ban you or considered banning you and the fact you "do not get it" should not be confused by you as it's other peoples fault. "Mum mum it's everyone else mum" is the approach you seem to be adopting

You seem and forgive me if I am wrong but I assure you it is how you are coming across, you seem to be obsessed with racism and anger. You come into a forum that you have no relation/interest in or wish to involve yourself in, then start to throw the race card around all the time, not because this site is racist, it never has been but more that seems to be who YOU are.

You at least publicly on the internet appear to be one of those angry chip on your shoulder people who seem to have no life other than to try and win the gold medal in the oppression Olympics.

Like I said you may disagree but I absolutely assure you that is the persona you are projecting and clearly by this, the first time ever in my memory, a possible ban/vote to ban is taking place in bird

Despite your constant mud slinging racist claim, had you ever seen or been to a meet then you would have seen how wrong you are and possibly would have changed your claim based on informative interaction rather than the angry man on the internet you have become

I'll be honest, up until last night I was of a mind to vote to suspend for say 3 months in the hope (1) Bird could return to the largely piss taking humorous BIKING forum it once was (2) people would see bird for what it was, a bike forum and not as YOU have tried to make it, a place to avoid and lastly (3) that time could be used by you to be honest with yourself because as I said, I doubt this is the only site you have ever done this on and when it keeps happening and the constant is you, then sir, the problem is you.

Since last night however I have read the additional posts made again by you and I sadly cannot see you changing from the angry man on the internet throwing the race card around all the time, accusing people who are not and you deliberately trying to ruin a motorcycle forum for no other purpose than for you to feel good about yourself, whilst you make everyone around you miserable.

John has on several occasions extended an Olive branch to you, some may say the whole f*cking tree but even then you have continually thrown that back in his face and continued to bait him and take advantage of his fairer nature, This was and is not acceptable.

As I said, I feel you have probably been banned in other forums before you joined bird, banned on other forums whilst you have been in bird and long after you leave bird you will continue to be banned from forums and for that and the damage you are attempting to inflict on bird and it's members I honestly do not see you changing should a suspension be applied.

so regrettably I have changed my mind and have now voted for a ban

As you say I will disagree and do. So here is an equally long response.
Never been banned and never been on a site that has such an imbalance as this one. As to having no interest in the site, up until August of this year I had been a 3 Blackbirds owner/rider, with a (still) passion for the model. For personal reason (partly old bones) I've had to change bikes.
But getting back to the subject, in your long and eloquent, if totally wrong response, you still have not detailed the difference between regular negative post on this forum towards Muslims and the British First line on Muslims. Black people by and large today can walk down most roads in this country without fear of attack or abuse (even a nob like me). But it was not always so, up until 30years ago we were the subject of the same negative comments that the Muslim population receive today. Now (like us years before)they are abused and attacked in the streets for no other reason than the fact that they are Muslim. To say that we play no part in that, is wrong. If we are negative about a group in our general words than there is a very small, but effective minority that feel that it's ok to abuse and attack that group. (To see this in play, read the bile that I get from Codbasher).
When I first took an active part in this site, I was surprised to see what I deemed as racist and offensive jokes on here. I've been as even more suprised, not just by the negative Islamic sentiment, but the lack of challenge to those opinions.
So am I angry? yes, why would I want see history repeat itself, all be it to another group. When I was young the older Irish would joke with us, saying "thank God you bastards came, it means that they (the English) leave us alone now." Sadly we say the same joke to the Eastern Europeans and the Muslims. So I ask myself is racial hate dead, or is just the subject of that hate that's changed. If you call me an angry nob for the opinions I hold, it falls on deaf ears. However if you challenge those opinions with strong effective debate, then those same ears are open to you views.
i want to be proud of, not only being a biker, but also being a Honda Blackbird enthusiast. But as my parent would tell me "show me your friends and I'll tell you who you are."
Yet again, I'm sure that my words will be twisted and taken out of context, but that won't change the message.

 

[Pow-Lo]

I believe Barrie is pointing out the tautology of "the status quo will stay as it is";-0)):-0)

I'm not convinced that it was a tautastic statement. If the status quo changes, then it's no longer as it was and indeed becomes something else.

 

[Pow-Lo]

As you say I will disagree and do. So here is an equally long response.
Never been banned and never been on a site that has such an imbalance as this one. As to having no interest in the site, up until August of this year I had been a 3 Blackbirds owner/rider, with a (still) passion for the model. For personal reason (partly old bones) I've had to change bikes.
But getting back to the subject, in your long and eloquent, if totally wrong response, you still have not detailed the difference between regular negative post on this forum towards Muslims and the British First line on Muslims. Black people by and large today can walk down most roads in this country without fear of attack or abuse (even a nob like me). But it was not always so, up until 30years ago we were the subject of the same negative comments that the Muslim population receive today. Now (like us years before)they are abused and attacked in the streets for no other reason than the fact that they are Muslim. To say that we play no part in that, is wrong. If we are negative about a group in our general words than there is a very small, but effective minority that feel that it's ok to abuse and attack that group. (To see this in play, read the bile that I get from Codbasher).
When I first took an active part in this site, I was surprised to see what I deemed as racist and offensive jokes on here. I've been as even more suprised, not just by the negative Islamic sentiment, but the lack of challenge to those opinions.
So am I angry? yes, why would I want see history repeat itself, all be it to another group. When I was young the older Irish would joke with us, saying "thank God you bastards came, it means that they (the English) leave us alone now." Sadly we say the same joke to the Eastern Europeans and the Muslims. So I ask myself is racial hate dead, or is just the subject of that hate that's changed. If you call me an angry nob for the opinions I hold, it falls on deaf ears. However if you challenge those opinions with strong effective debate, then those same ears are open to you views.
i want to be proud of, not only being a biker, but also being a Honda Blackbird enthusiast. But as my parent would tell me "show me your friends and I'll tell you who you are."
Yet again, I'm sure that my words will be twisted and taken out of context, but that won't change the message.

Just a couple of observations, David.

1. Black people, as far as my (limited) understanding goes came (or were invited - someone will have to help me out here) as there was a labour shortage after WWII. They did not come to convert indigenous Brits to their way of thinking and ideology. Muslims come to the UK, mostly with the intent of forcing their bullshit ideology on us. Oh, and cut our heads off and blow us up if we refuse.

2. Whilst I don't know the whole history between you and Codbasher, I do recall you having claimed to have shagged his wife on more than one occasion. You also threatened to go to his neck of the woods and duff him up. Are you really surprised that he takes a dim of you?

3. With everything that's going on in the world today, most of it with muslims at the core of it, are you really surprised that folk are not willing to welcome them to the UK (or anywhere else in Europe, apart from the surrender-monkey French twats) and generally mis-trust them?

 

[Codbasher]

2. Whilst I don't know the whole history between you and Codbasher, I do recall you having claimed to have shagged his wife on more than one occasion. You also threatened to go to his neck of the woods and duff him up.


And that to me is a good enough reason to have the c**t banned, I'm not fussed about the threat i am more than capable of looking after myself. BUT remarks about my wife or family really boil my piss, this forum i know is not life, having said that i have met a lot of people on here from jaws to artemis (and of course hunter rip) to lumpy to rolfy and many others.. some i look forward to meeting Derek, slobbo and even andybird. The gist of this is what is said on here is between us, not our spouses, family etc.

So, John, you have met my wife and myself, because of his remarks about shagging her i will ask you to ban the twat once and for all.

 

[Pow-Lo]

2. Whilst I don't know the whole history between you and Codbasher, I do recall you having claimed to have shagged his wife on more than one occasion. You also threatened to go to his neck of the woods and duff him up.


And that to me is a good enough reason to have the c**t banned, I'm not fussed about the threat i am more than capable of looking after myself. BUT remarks about my wife or family really boil my piss, this forum i know is not life, having said that i have met a lot of people on here from jaws to artemis (and of course hunter rip) to lumpy to rolfy and many others.. some i look forward to meeting Derek, slobbo and even andybird. The gist of this is what is said on here is between us, not our spouses, family etc.

So, John, you have met my wife and myself, because of his remarks about shagging her i will ask you to ban the twat once and for all.

I pretty much said the same thing in my first post on the banning thread:

"He is also bang out of order when he starts levelling abusive and, when you think about it, quite ridiculous statements about banging other members wives. That, to my mind, is a banning offence in itself. As fellow ex-seamen, Hemmy and John (Quiney) might back me up here, but at sea the rule used to be that you can say whatever you like about 'me' but families are sacrosanct. That's something I still abide by."

I still can't make my mind up whether he should be banned or not though. I usually have a forgiving nature and I'm of the mind that perhaps a "formal written warning" would be the way forward and give David a chance to pull his neck in. Then again, Leopards and spots......

I really can't make my mind up. Given the amount of money I charge for my professional opinion, that's actually quite embarrassing :blush:

 

[Codbasher]

To my mind i don't give a shit what anyone says about me, i can give it and so i must take it, it's all banter, let's face it if you heard me versus the Welsh at work about rugby you would think we were at war. BUT same as at work families stay out of it, we all sick together around the banter looking after each other.
The is true on here there may be poss taking, but get a problem and you get help and backup, one thing is certain, no one on here would drag other members family down, that is a massive no no.

I don't think giving him a temp ban will get him to wind his neck in, he has openly admitted to getting nutted on numerous occasions because of his views, still he spouts off on here as he knows we can't can't physically get to him, so he will come back after a month or two and start again.

It's up to the members, but just think how you would feel if someone started to drag your wife/familly into picture,

 

[andyBeaker]

Just a couple of observations, David.

1. Black people, as far as my (limited) understanding goes came (or were invited - someone will have to help me out here) as there was a labour shortage after WWII. They did not come to convert indigenous Brits to their way of thinking and ideology. Muslims come to the UK, mostly with the intent of forcing their bullshit ideology on us. Oh, and cut our heads off and blow us up if we refuse.

2. Whilst I don't know the whole history between you and Codbasher, I do recall you having claimed to have shagged his wife on more than one occasion. You also threatened to go to his neck of the woods and duff him up. Are you really surprised that he takes a dim of you?

3. With everything that's going on in the world today, most of it with muslims at the core of it, are you really surprised that folk are not willing to welcome them to the UK (or anywhere else in Europe, apart from the surrender-monkey French twats) and generally mis-trust them?

Point 3. You imply that everyone agrees with your views. Not so.

 

[americanexpress]

I'm not convinced that it was a tautastic statement. If the status quo changes, then it's no longer as it was and indeed becomes something else.

The use of status quo rendered the 'as it is' unnecessary, I believe it was Barrie's intention to point that out.

He is, after all, as pedantic an old beggar as Bill (and myself):yo:

 

[JonP]

I thought he was a ginger?h1d1ng2

And there it is. Blatant gingerism! I wondered how long it would be before someone over stepped the mark! s04pb0x6

 

[Jaws]

Ahhh.. Clarity !!! I was totally bemused to be honest..

Barrie, you are far too clever for me mate :-0) Missed it completely !!!

 

[noobie]

never been on a site that has such an imbalance as this one. .

And yet you continue to visit

As to having no interest in the site, up until August of this year I had been a 3 Blackbirds owner/rider, with a (still) passion for the model. For personal reason (partly old bones) I've had to change bikes..

And yet pretty much most of your posts have absolutely nothing to do with motorcycling or the bird

But it was not always so, up until 30years ago we were the subject of the same negative comments that the Muslim population receive today. Now (like us years before)they are abused and attacked in the streets for no other reason than the fact that they are Muslim. To say that we play no part in that, is wrong. If we are negative about a group in our general words than there is a very small, but effective minority that feel that it's ok to abuse and attack that group...

This is humanity, always has been, look at the middle East however as it continues but your simplistic views purvail.

It is indicative of what seems SOME in the black population that they seem to want to own the terms of slavery and racism despite the romans enslaving everyone they could find. When it comes to slavery it has effected many colours and still exists today for all colours and all sexes. look at the 1500-1700's and most of the worlds sailing fleets were made up of slaves but very few being of colour as the ships crew would either beat up and kidnap those on land, get them drunk and abduct them

If you also look at an open minded (something you claim to do) view of slavery you would have seen the white mans role started at the dock in Africa and not on land as the dominant tribes would capture and sell the less dominant tribes, their own countrymen, women and children to the slaving ships. When it comes to slavery, black people also have a less than clean past

Then we move onto current days and the people traffikers are now doing the same work as the dominant tribes in that they are seeking a perceived lower people and selling and controlling them for their own profit.

It is a sadness of humanity but it seems it goes along with humanity but to project it as one colour doing it is selective ignorance

When I was young the older Irish would joke with us, saying "thank God you bastards came, it means that they (the English) leave us alone now." ...

I'm going to suggest this never happened but more that you watched layer cake

i want to be proud of, not only being a biker, but also being a Honda Blackbird enthusiast..

If only that was the actual case Davey as most of your comments have nothing to do with birds or even motorcycling. Perhaps your true search to vent would be a "we wuz oppressed and I need to be angry with someone" type of forum. I wonder if during your absence which now seems definite in some form, wether you could find a forum for that continual droning on and then return to bird when the time is prudent to actually talk mostly about bikes instead of playing the race card every five minutes?

Yet again, I'm sure that my words will be twisted and taken out of context, but that won't change the message.

Which is sad because your one subject constant droning on wrongful accusations diatribe is what has you now in a position that was avoidable.

I am sure you have more to offer to bird but as you continually refuse to accept any part of this whole mess is the slightest bit your fault when most of it is, this stance is what decided for me to change my vote from suspension to ban

Unless you can find a way within you to realise this is a mostly a motorcycle forum and not mostly a civil rights forum then I sadly do feel if you are suspended and do return at some time, I foresee you will simply just carry on with this unnecessary situation where you accept no responsibility at all for your actions and we end up banning you completely

I think you know you will do this and hope you have the sense of conviction to know that YOU have chosen the wrong forum more than this is the wrong forum for your needs.

 

[Codbasher]

Is there any evidence that he actually owns a bike, let alone had owned blackbirds?? Or even had a bike license.

After all he said he drove trucks, yet his lack of knowledge about them proves otherwise.

Just saying. .....

 

[Jaws]

Actually, yes.. His Bird was really well turned out and he did very worthwhile mileages on it too @tu*

 

[Davey Bee]

Just a couple of observations, David.

1. Black people, as far as my (limited) understanding goes came (or were invited - someone will have to help me out here) as there was a labour shortage after WWII. They did not come to convert indigenous Brits to their way of thinking and ideology. Muslims come to the UK, mostly with the intent of forcing their bullshit ideology on us. Oh, and cut our heads off and blow us up if we refuse.

2. Whilst I don't know the whole history between you and Codbasher, I do recall you having claimed to have shagged his wife on more than one occasion. You also threatened to go to his neck of the woods and duff him up. Are you really surprised that he takes a dim of you?

3. With everything that's going on in the world today, most of it with muslims at the core of it, are you really surprised that folk are not willing to welcome them to the UK (or anywhere else in Europe, apart from the surrender-monkey French twats) and generally mis-trust them?

Point 2, please show me the post that shagging his wife or me threatening to hit him was made. He responded angrily to him after his racist comment to making me a slave. I said something on the lines of meeting, where he responded that he'd put me on my arse. His wife had no part in that conversation. But again the fact don't matter do they.
Point 1 and 3 are the views expressed by Britain First, so please explain to me why you would feel offended when I compare you with them.

 

[Davey Bee]

Actually, yes.. His Bird was really well turned out and he did very worthwhile mileages on it too @tu*

And I'm off to enjoy a few miles now, see you all later. :-0)

 

[Codbasher]

Twisted that again ain't you Davey boy.........

You made the threat, i offered to meet you. Don't try back peddling.