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andyBeaker

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If you're referring to me for calling you out on telling the old guy to 'fuck off', then that was not personal abuse by me to you. Your conduct was appalling and I wrote words to that effect. Fact. The fact that you seemed proud of your actions was equally disgusting. Fact. I did indeed call you a hypocrite for using rude words when you have chastised others on here for their use of foul language; that's not abuse, that's fact. too.

If you're not referring to me, then you have a mild, but unreserved, apology for my mistake.

I am not having a brawl in public over this but if you want 'facts'

1 you weren't there and have based your opinions on your image of what happened
2 see 1 above. There are some that look away, there are some that gawp and take Pictures with their phone and there are some that take action. Given the same circumstances I would do the same again. As I say, I was there and you were not

3 I will absolutely accept that swearing makes me a hypocrite to a degree. My point about swearing is that there is a limited time and place and it's casual use benefits nobody. My limits were reached hence the final words to the gentleman. You have no idea what was said (fact)but if you did then you might change your views.

Sadly an arm round the shoulders was not appropriate in reality (as
Opposed to the scene you have portrayed in your own mind); about as effective as attending a BNP rally and asking them to discuss their views over afternoon tea.

You don't have to like any of the above; I am not asking you to. And if that makes me 'despicable' I can live with that As I am comfortable with my actions and do not need to justify them to anyone.

I also Ask people nicely if they wouldn't mind taking their feet off the seat on trains.
 
I've been a member on here for more years than I can remember (part of Anths originals) and over that time there have been a few knobs who eventually get fed up of their own silly games and sod off.

Daveybee is the exception to the rule, he has obviously less brain cells than a retarded amoeba and just keep on repeating the same old crap over and over, its actually sad and boring watching him try and make a name for himself, obviously in life away from the keyboard he is not the hero he thinks he is and is probably an even sadder reflection of his BIRD persona.

If I ran this Forum I would simply delete and block him, on many other Forums I've been thats exactly what happens to idiots who like to wind people up and although some on here think thats what he's after, I personally think he's loving all this crap so to stop his little game in its tracks would be better for everyone.

OK Davey, you can still Fuck Off, but don't die, just get a nasty disease !!

b@tu*
 
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There is a whole lot of very strong feelings on this thread.

I feel a poll coming on.. Providing it gets more than a few votes ( either way ) I will abide by the outcome.
If there are only a few votes then that cannot really be considered a valid poll though and the status quo will stay as is..

I will think about it this afternoon
 

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There is a whole lot of very strong feelings on this thread.

I feel a poll coming on.. Providing it gets more than a few votes ( either way ) I will abide by the outcome.
If there are only a few votes then that cannot really be considered a valid poll though and the status quo will stay as is..

I will think about it this afternoon

Aw f*ck. Now you've done it....!

And there was me thinking that democracy was dead and buried in this country....:-0)
 
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Let's started with facts that I'm sure you'll all choose to ignore.
Fact 1, at no part in this thread have I used the words racist or bigot.
Fact 2, the program was about a group that like yourselves claim not to be racist
Fact 3, they like most of you that post on here regularly, (with a few exceptions Andy, read the word most) feel that Muslims are taking over this country. If you're unclear of who you are, read what you've personally posted on this subject on here each time that the Muslim question comes up. Barry, DK, PL, to name just a few of you.
Fact 4, still no comment on the program apart from we saw the content and chose not to watch it. Great way of expanding your minds.

I'm not surprised that so many of you are angry and refuse to enter any constructive comment on the program, if I shared similar views to the characters documented I'd be uncomfortable.
John, you once told me that in general you allowed members to post without constant fear of censorship. I didn't realise that you meant as long as they don't upset you.
The choice is now comment on the program or attack me, let see how many will take the cowards way out.
I've just watched the program to see exactly what it was about, as I didn't think it right to comment without having all the facts.

Point 1, You may not have used the words "bigot" or "racist" but you did say "Well it seemed to me like a total reflection of the views and comments of the regular posters on here. But the chances are that no one will enjoy seeing their real selves" since the program was about racists and bigots we can only assume that your comparisons between the views of the members here and those of "Britain First" mean that we share their bigoted and racist views.

point 2. From my dealings with "Bird" I have encountered Black and White members. Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh. Nigerian (yes I wasn't forgetting) Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist and shock horror, even Muslim. If that mixture makes us racist then the UN need to be found guilty.

Point 3. When discussions have arisen regarding immigration, Religion doesn't get questioned. The general consensus is not that Muslims are trying to take over Britain, it is that British infrastructure cannot cope with a rapidly expanding, non integrating population. This is not "Muslim Bashing", it is stating a recognised fact, put forward by some of the Worlds leading anthropologists.

Point 4, I watched the program. Interesting, but no different from any program that has been filmed on the subject since Enoch Powell first told all immigrants to go home. The views shown were representative of a small minority of people. If you were to go into any community, be it the Black community in parts of Birmingham, the Irish community in parts of London, the Muslim community in parts of Bradford or even the Scottish community in Manchester, you will find narrow minded, bigoted, angry people, willing to shout and spout about their plight and how hard done by they are. But you will also meet a lot of people grateful for what they have and happy to live and let live.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion but when the expression of that opinion hurts others that's wrong. It is wrong for Britain First to express an opinion that hurts both the Muslim community and also the British people who don't share their right wing views. But it is just as wrong for you Davey Bee to express such a general opinion about the members here and their religious and political views. As was previously said, had you attended the O'Bash you would have seen that your opinion has absolutely no foundation.
 
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andyBeaker

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There is a whole lot of very strong feelings on this thread.

I feel a poll coming on.. Providing it gets more than a few votes ( either way ) I will abide by the outcome.
If there are only a few votes then that cannot really be considered a valid poll though and the status quo will stay as is..

I will think about it this afternoon

There are also many who aren't making a noise about Daveybee?

Those with the loudest voices are not necessarily those that should be listened to.

Just saying.

Personally my view is that Daveybee is passionate but allows his passion to overtake his actions at times. I also believe at times there is a little smoke in this forum that feeds his raging inferno. I am not going to have a go at anyone for being passionate and all he is doing some of the time is making himself look foolish. And there are some on here that cannot resist reacting.

Banning someone doesn't seem right to me. I would suggest at least 50 votes overall would need to be cast if that is the route you take.
 
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One constructive comment on the program in question, 5 pages of abuse. Ignorance is the core of all bigotry. Shouting and abusing someone because they don't share your views, leaves you ignorant.
I've spent an active year reading the other side of the argument, it's been enlightening. Thank whichever god you pray too that the behaviour on here is losing acceptance throughout the world.

So let's get this right John, what are you considering banning me for:
Being a nob?
Being vocal.
Objecting to the opinions of some on here
Daring to have my own opinions
Not riding a Blackbird
Being afraid of racist and bigoted opinions and the damage that it causes
Being able to inject some life into a failing forum
Or just daring to be different.
Or being a nob, that's voca,l who objects to some of the opinions on here, has his own opinions that have injected some life into the forum, and is different from most of the regular posters on here, in more ways than one?
Whichever it is doesn't matter, it shows how open minded you are and that sir is my point. I look forward to the results of your vote.
8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@
 

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One constructive comment on the program in question, 5 pages of abuse. Ignorance is the core of all bigotry. Shouting and abusing someone because they don't share your views, leaves you ignorant.
I've spent an active year reading the other side of the argument, it's been enlightening. Thank whichever god you pray too that the behaviour on here is losing acceptance throughout the world.

So let's get this right John, what are you considering banning me for:
Being a nob?
Being vocal.
Objecting to the opinions of some on here
Daring to have my own opinions
Not riding a Blackbird
Being afraid of racist and bigoted opinions and the damage that it causes
Being able to inject some life into a failing forum
Or just daring to be different.
Or being a nob, that's voca,l who objects to some of the opinions on here, has his own opinions that have injected some life into the forum, and is different from most of the regular posters on here, in more ways than one?
Whichever it is doesn't matter, it shows how open minded you are and that sir is my point. I look forward to the results of your vote.
8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@

My objection to your presence is that you never seem to take a "normal" part in our community. Your posts are all about strife and always seem to cast members in a negative light. You add nothing attractive to our site and as such I would welcome your leaving. I would not, however, vote for you to be expelled because I think that outcome would feed your self-importance.
 
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i haven,t posted on here for ages.
If you daveybee feel that the people on here are racist then move on to another forum if it upsets you.
You have said yourself it is a dying forum and you want to inject some life into it. It begs the question Why!

Why don't you post your views on a forum which interests you and where you can share your views with likeminded people?

If anybody dislikes being called a racist by daveybee just ignore him. He doesn't need to be banned just use the block/ignore button and move on.
Life's too short for this and anyway the forum isn't real anyway.
 

Codbasher

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Dave You forgot being a DICK :wank:

Plus 1 on that :wank::wank:

Never seen him help anyone on here, he is full of bullshit (Says he drives a wagon yet called a Tachograph a Tachometer 8rfl@ ) And Bandybird likes him, good enough reason to hit the delete button.
 
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"JE SUIS CHARLIE
Not because I agree with all that you say, but I cherish your right to say it."

Davey Bee, you use as your signature a quote which has been (wrongly) attributed to Voltaire, the French philosopher. I presume that you are aware that Voltaire viewed Islam in a negative light, felt that the Quran ignored the laws of physics and felt that Mohammed was a prophet, who exploited people's naivety and spread superstition and fanaticism.
He also believed that believed that because of their different origins blacks did not entirely share the natural humanity of whites, as well as being a supporter of slavery.
I'm sure that given your well expressed views on religious tolerance and your dislike for racism and bigotry, using such a quote was just an oversight and not meant to be ignorant. After all "Ignorance is the core of all bigotry"
 

Barrie

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Some people have said this forum isn't real. That depends on your perception of real but may I just say, I have made some REAL friends from being on this forum.
 
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Saffie

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Beat me to it Barrie, met some very nice folk from here and surprisingly after not seeing them for a few years when I saw them again at the bash they made me feel welcome and its as if a year never passed.

Have to say one thing he has managed to bring quite a few old faces back to post...

Agree with almost all the statements, everyone has a right to think what they want and we all have the right to choose who we speak to by using the block function of the forums, deleting or banning a member is nothing short of violating everything that is biking to me. Bikers are the most varied, interesting specimen of the human form, you get all shapes, sizes and mentalities. I respect other peoples rights...thats it.
 
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