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Jaws

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One constructive comment on the program in question, 5 pages of abuse. Ignorance is the core of all bigotry. Shouting and abusing someone because they don't share your views, leaves you ignorant.
I've spent an active year reading the other side of the argument, it's been enlightening. Thank whichever god you pray too that the behaviour on here is losing acceptance throughout the world.

So let's get this right John, what are you considering banning me for:
Being a nob?
Being vocal.
Objecting to the opinions of some on here
Daring to have my own opinions
Not riding a Blackbird
Being afraid of racist and bigoted opinions and the damage that it causes
Being able to inject some life into a failing forum
Or just daring to be different.
Or being a nob, that's voca,l who objects to some of the opinions on here, has his own opinions that have injected some life into the forum, and is different from most of the regular posters on here, in more ways than one?
Whichever it is doesn't matter, it shows how open minded you are and that sir is my point. I look forward to the results of your vote.
8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@8rfl@

Basically being a nob Davey.

And that takes most of the other options you offer
taking at random

daring to have your own opinion ...
Nope.. having an opinion that is biased beyond belief and your complete inability to see it.
I find the premise obscenely insulting that I would consider asking someone to leave for voicing their opinion

A failing forum
Nope.. It is not failing.. It evolves slowly and peaks and troughs.. Last year was a trough but Bird is slowly regaining lost ground
Again, a very insulting statement

The other things you mention are in equal portion either very wrong and based on YOUR views or insulting to the majority of other members

I Will ask you one last time..
Will you either curtail your behavior or leave of your own accord ?

If the answer is no to both then I have no option but to put the matter to a vote.

I feel I have been extremely patient ( at the cost of personal piss taking for being a soft git ) and asked you several times to be more reasonable in your posts.. but I am afraid the tether end has now been reached
 

mick the knife

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If the answer is no to both then I have no option but to put the matter to a vote.


Ohhhh, I vote to keep him. :yo:

Easy choice really as I am clever enough to ignore him or even press the button which blocks his posts, if ever I should feel the need, simples
 
Maybe thats the way forward, I've never blocked/ignored anyone so didn't know how it worked but if we all did it, that would sort the problem, he can talk to himself as much as he likes, maybe even argue with himself !

@tu*


Done !!
 
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Jaws

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Sadly it does not really answer the problem for several reasons

The first and most important is this forum is open to the public and some statements made by Davey are being picked up by google... They do not show this forum in a good light.. ( oddly, it is ONLY his statements that are picked up )

Secondly, you can block someone but usually some plonker will come along and quote the blocked one in their reply

Thirdly, I am in the unfortunate position of having to read all the diatribe as it is contentious. And I really do not need to read so much hyperbole and word twisting !
 
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Davey Bee

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John I'll come to your questions shortly.
Here's a thing, most of you are upset ( to put it mildly) about the suggestion that the views on here (by a significant minority) are the same as Britain First. However most did not watch the program and as far as I know have little knowledge of the real profile of Britain First. You assume them to be racist, but could not be bothered to watch and hear what they had to say. Having watched them they claimed not to be racist but were defending their country and their right to freedom in their country. They claimed, like A lot posters on here to be welcoming to Blacks Asians and the like, but was upset by the way that Muslims conducted themselves and their reluctance to intergrate. They objected to Halal meat for a number of reasons. These are all views that some REGULAR posters here, have expressed in previous threads. However regular posters on here feel that by drawing an analogy to them and Britain First I've called them racist.
So here's the question, before determining that I've called you racist, wouldn't it be prudent, to watch the program and over all find out more about them. After all they claim not to be racist. If you then determine that they are racist, then would it not be more constructive to debate your point in a constructive way, to the difference between the views held on here (by regular posters) and Britain First. But instead, you've chosen to collectively come on here and abuse me and discuss banning me. I've already drawn the irony of this method with the subject matter. I'm really not concerned if you all vote to ban me or not, had I wanted to win a popularity contest, I would've steered well away from the subjects I raise.
John, on personal level, being a nob in a room full of pussies is a great advantage!
To your question of will I stop voicing and challenging views, no I won't. I've been nutted, spat on, abused in the street, in the pub, countless times before I opened my mouth, so not because of my character (a nob)but because of the colour of my skin. The perpetrators while mindless, were inadvertently encouraged by well meaning but ill informed opinion. So to be honest I feel I've earned the right to challenge those views wherever I see them. After all what's happening to the British Muslim population today, is no different to what happened to Blacks and Asians 30 40 years ago. Even the arguments are the same (they don't intergrate).
Do whatever you feel is right, being a rebel rouser puts me in esteemed company, Gandi, Martin Luther King, Jesus Christ to name a few, if I could achieve .00000001% of the least of them, then I'll die a happy man.

You'll all read into the above what you wish, I'm aware of that, and care little.
 
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Davey Bee

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Sadly it does not really answer the problem for several reasons

The first and most important is this forum is open to the public and some statements made by Davey are being picked up by google... They do not show this forum in a good light.. ( oddly, it is ONLY his statements that are picked up )

Secondly, you can block someone but usually some plonker will come along and quote the blocked one in their reply

Thirdly, I am in the unfortunate position of having to read all the diatribe as it is contentious. And I really do not need to read so much hyperbole and word twisting !
If the public opinion was a real concern, then wouldn't it be better for the forum that it's owner not engage in personally abuse it's members, regardless of his views on the members post. Would it not be better to encourage constructive debate on the questions raised by the member and thereby show those views and questions to be wrong and misplaced. I've never thought of the google part of it, but now you mentioned it, if I so choose, do you really think that me being banned would make a difference?
 

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Well, someone's changed their tone from "all members of Bird" to "(in)significant minority", my addition in brackets. I'm glad you took on board comments on how to phrase statements.

Voicing and challenging views is not a problem. It's the accusatory, all including manner in which you do so, that gets people's hackles up. This, I believe, is why a ban has been requested by people. Not for your views, not for daring to speak your mind, not for your religious beliefs and certainly not for the colour of your skin. (Which only seems to get mentioned by you.)
For me and I imagine most of the members on here, your or anyone else's colour of skin, religion e.t.c. simply do not matter.

What you need to remember is- you have the right to hold your own opinions, as do others have the right to hold theirs. Irrespective of how erroneous those opinions are considered to be..
 

Squag1

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Now I really feel discriminated against.
Being insulted is one thing but being ignored is tearing the arse out of it altogether. I'm going to London to take classes from Davey.

What's worse than being talked about - not being talked about :-0)

I wonder how an Irish Muslim would be received in UK 8rfl@

Anyway the posts are too long. Life is too short.....
 

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Daveybee. I have some sympathy to some of your views. But at what point will you wake up and understand that it is not the message you deliver but the way you deliver it? And if you provoke reaction then you should consider the reaction rather than be irreversibly locked on to your original message.

It's up to you. Whatever your cause is you are not helping it.

:dunno:
 
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Davey Bee

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Well, someone's changed their tone from "all members of Bird" to "(in)significant minority", my addition in brackets. I'm glad you took on board comments on how to phrase statements.

Voicing and challenging views is not a problem. It's the accusatory, all including manner in which you do so, that gets people's hackles up. This, I believe, is why a ban has been requested by people. Not for your views, not for daring to speak your mind, not for your religious beliefs and certainly not for the colour of your skin. (Which only seems to get mentioned by you.)
For me and I imagine most of the members on here, your or anyone else's colour of skin, religion e.t.c. simply do not matter.

What you need to remember is- you have the right to hold your own opinions, as do others have the right to hold theirs. Irrespective of how erroneous those opinions are considered to be..

And this my point about the facts not being allowed to get in the way of the story.
At which point have I said "ALL MEMBERS"? Never
At which point has the topic been about me or the colour of my skin. None, but as I said, you'll all read what you want to read.

Let's try again the views expressed by members on this forum, in previous threads are similar to those expressed by Britain First, we've had 7 pages of attack on the questioner, now let's answer the question, where do those views differ from Britain First and just as important should Britain First be regarded as a racist group? Discuss :-0)
 

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And this my point about the facts not being allowed to get in the way of the story.
At which point have I said "ALL MEMBERS"? Never
At which point has the topic been about me or the colour of my skin. None, but as I said, you'll all read what you want to read.

Let's try again the views expressed by members on this forum, in previous threads are similar to those expressed by Britain First, we've had 7 pages of attack on the questioner, now let's answer the question, where do those views differ from Britain First and just as important should Britain First be regarded as a racist group? Discuss :-0)

so how does the above fit in with your original post?
 

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And this my point about the facts not being allowed to get in the way of the story.
At which point have I said "ALL MEMBERS"? Never
At which point has the topic been about me or the colour of my skin. None, but as I said, you'll all read what you want to read.

Let's try again the views expressed by members on this forum, in previous threads are similar to those expressed by Britain First, we've had 7 pages of attack on the questioner, now let's answer the question, where do those views differ from Britain First and just as important should Britain First be regarded as a racist group? Discuss :-0)

No-one said that you said "ALL MEMBERS". What you did say in your second post on this thread was:

"Well it seemed to me like a total reflection of the views and comments of the regular posters on here. But the chances are that no one will enjoy seeing their real selves, so let's call this thread closed. Bye."

Looks to me like you're implying that the views expressed by those on Britain First is the same as "...the regular posters...". Do you mean some or all 'regular posters'?
 

noobie

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My apologies for this being a long post, most will have fallen asleep before the end.

Firstly Davey you said I've been nutted, spat on, abused in the street, in the pub, countless times before I opened my mouth, so not because of my character (a nob)but because of the colour of my skin

For that to happen to you is simply wrong but I need to remind you that NO ONE from bird did that, no one from bird was involved with that and no one from bird approved of that and purely based on how you interact in BIRD I would have to ask are you sure it was because of your skin colour and or was it because you behaved in real life as you behave in bird in that you are acting like a cock?

The continual reference of your colour in a negative way has been mostly by you and you alone. Most people in the beginning did not even know your colour or cared, all we saw and continue to see is an angry cock on the internet. Honestly no one cares what a members colour is, they simply do not.

Comparing yourself as some kind of martyred intelligencia like Jesus or Ghandi for me either makes it clear you are unable to see the idiocy of your false racist claims or you see the whole thing as a joke.

I'm not expecting you to agree Davey, I get that but I suspect this is not the first forum you have had ban you or considered banning you and the fact you "do not get it" should not be confused by you as it's other peoples fault. "Mum mum it's everyone else mum" is the approach you seem to be adopting

You seem and forgive me if I am wrong but I assure you it is how you are coming across, you seem to be obsessed with racism and anger. You come into a forum that you have no relation/interest in or wish to involve yourself in, then start to throw the race card around all the time, not because this site is racist, it never has been but more that seems to be who YOU are.

You at least publicly on the internet appear to be one of those angry chip on your shoulder people who seem to have no life other than to try and win the gold medal in the oppression Olympics.

Like I said you may disagree but I absolutely assure you that is the persona you are projecting and clearly by this, the first time ever in my memory, a possible ban/vote to ban is taking place in bird

Despite your constant mud slinging racist claim, had you ever seen or been to a meet then you would have seen how wrong you are and possibly would have changed your claim based on informative interaction rather than the angry man on the internet you have become

I'll be honest, up until last night I was of a mind to vote to suspend for say 3 months in the hope (1) Bird could return to the largely piss taking humorous BIKING forum it once was (2) people would see bird for what it was, a bike forum and not as YOU have tried to make it, a place to avoid and lastly (3) that time could be used by you to be honest with yourself because as I said, I doubt this is the only site you have ever done this on and when it keeps happening and the constant is you, then sir, the problem is you.

Since last night however I have read the additional posts made again by you and I sadly cannot see you changing from the angry man on the internet throwing the race card around all the time, accusing people who are not and you deliberately trying to ruin a motorcycle forum for no other purpose than for you to feel good about yourself, whilst you make everyone around you miserable.

John has on several occasions extended an Olive branch to you, some may say the whole f*cking tree but even then you have continually thrown that back in his face and continued to bait him and take advantage of his fairer nature, This was and is not acceptable.

As I said, I feel you have probably been banned in other forums before you joined bird, banned on other forums whilst you have been in bird and long after you leave bird you will continue to be banned from forums and for that and the damage you are attempting to inflict on bird and it's members I honestly do not see you changing should a suspension be applied.

so regrettably I have changed my mind and have now voted for a ban
 
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Saffie

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Firstly Davey you said I've been nutted, spat on, abused in the street, in the pub, countless times before I opened my mouth, so not because of my character (a nob)but because of the colour of my skin

I thought he was a ginger?h1d1ng2
 

Codbasher

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I thought he was a ginger?h1d1ng2

If someone walked into a pub with his attitude then expect to get nutted, spat on etc etc, you would think he would learn something from that, but no, off he goes to the next pub to get nutted and spat at, nothing to do with his colour, its the attitude.

You really cannot teach a plank of wood.


Just ban the :wank: and we can get on with the piss taking.
 
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