7 bombs on 7th of the 7th :-(

[roXXo]

We'll have to agree to disagree about the benefits of multiculturism FB and racism and intolerance is not limited to white people I know.

There are criminals in all walks of life and if you come to Grimsby or Cleethorpes you can be beaten up by any number of white folks on any night of the week.
Just because I have been attacked by a Scotsman doesn't mean all Scots are bad or Yorkshireman or somebody from the next town, village, faith, bloodline.

I am also proud to be an Englishman but we are all mongrels to certain degree.
I have a Dutch and Welsh blood line. You could argue that the Welsh are the true English, being ancient britons driven to the hills while the rest bred with the invading hordes of Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Romans, Scandinavians, Normans and then hundreds of nationalities visiting this land through trade. Just look at the well mixed population of port towns.

My main thrust was at the wrong headedness of Steve and Derek spouting shite about not mixing and blaming just one religion for terrorism.

 

[Chunky Monkey]

don`t get me started..i might just get the flaming cross out the shed !!

live life..

live free

and be happy....


Don`t let the monsters of society win, divide and conquer....

But i do feel that the country is being raped of what we as kids all held so dear.......freedom to be who we are.

hat....coat....gone....... R#?

 

[R2B2]

I agree with multiculturalism in principle, but it appears (to me) to be TOO open and liberal.

The immigration policy of recent years has kept the PC brigade happy..... but at what cost?? No go area's like that mentioned by Bert should never be allowed to gather the strength that makes them what they are - this is absolute madness, and it worries me. And please don't try to justify it by saying the same thing happens with indigenous gangs, it does, we know, and they are equally wrong.

I'm not consciously racist thinking but I do object strongly to the increasing injustices creeping upon our society. I lived in Folkestone for 20 odd years and what's happening down there, particularly in Dover, beggars belief, (I would be quite happy to go into detail if anyone is curious).

Does this make me a racist too :dunno: I don't think I am, but postings in this thread suggests I am!! Perhaps I am :dunno:

Are you a racist if you have concerns like this, and want to ask questions of current policies and practises?. Apparently so it would seem :bang:

 

[derek kelly]

My main thrust was at the wrong headedness of Steve and Derek spouting shite about not mixing and blaming just one religion for terrorism.

So what this actually boils down to is the fact that because Steve and I happen to have a different opinion on this than you, an opinion that is borne out of personal experiences in dealing with other cultures, then we are wrong and spouting shite, Roxxo I have met you and found you to be a decent man, and I would not have thought any less of you if you were Asian, West Indian or whatever, I have posted before how I have god friends of many races particularly Asians, and the Asians I know share my feelings on the extremists, they despair for their children because they are being brainwashed by the extremists and going against their parents teachings, yes let us embrace other cultures and learn from them as they can learn from us, but do not swamp us with them and do not force their beliefs on us.
remember too much gun powder and the cannon will blow up in your face.

 

[Chunky Monkey]

So what this actually boils down to is the fact that because Steve and I happen to have a different opinion on this than you, an opinion that is borne out of personal experiences in dealing with other cultures, then we are wrong and spouting shite, Roxxo I have met you and found you to be a decent man, and I would not have thought any less of you if you were Asian, West Indian or whatever, I have posted before how I have god friends of many races particularly Asians, and the Asians I know share my feelings on the extremists, they despair for their children because they are being brainwashed by the extremists and going against their parents teachings, yes let us embrace other cultures and learn from them as they can learn from us, but do not swamp us with them and do not force their beliefs on us.
remember too much gun powder and the cannon will blow up in your face.

here..here derek........ :bow:
I stand behind you on that one mate.
when we are forced to observe other cultures ways and be taken away from their own something is not right...
The "line" has been firmly put down in favour of the visitors i`m afraid....not our own people.

 

[gypsy]

signed "posh bloke from Willington" fecking gaffers dont know yer born

 

[Fat Bert]

Roxxo~~

With all due respcect mate.............

Grimsby or Cleethorpes

Hardly the epicentres of multi-cultural living/ organised crime/hard drug dealing/gand wars

Come into the REAL City Centres and probably the REAL world to see whats happening?

Visit Leicester and see how many white people you can spot within a 5 mile radius of the City Centre

Visit St Anns and the Meadows in Nottingham and see just how easy it is to buy an unmarked - untraceable gun in broad daylight - straight off the pavement for just ?25

Come with me [oo err missus] into Derby City Centre any WEEKDAY afternoon - but bring 20 different translators with you because no-one speaks English

Come say hello to the nice young chappie who's just bought a house 150 metres away from my office and ask him why is it that at just 25 years old [approx] he can afford not to work but still drives around in a very large brand new Merc that must have cost ?50K+. He must be really popular though because he's got hundreds of friends - and they all arrive to see him and share a nice little cup of afternoon tea and a Digestive biscuit

Then tell me all about the "benefits" of living in a multi-cultural society?

 

[derek kelly]

And then come with me to Leeds Sunday Market where my wife sells baby's bedding etc, and watch as Asians and eastern europeans remove items from their bags and throw them all over the stall and on the floor then walk off, only to return ten minutes later and ask how much an item is and then TELL you how much they are going to pay, and I find it strange how when you reitterate the price suddenly they no longer speak English. Or come with me to Batley on a friday night and watch as the young Asians run through Tescos with pick axe handles and baseball bats etc.
Or better still, come with me to Chapeltown in Leeds (just 1 mile from where I was born) because the police won't,

 

[Duck n Dive]

Claiming Asylum

For what's it's worth I'll throw in my own personal experience here.

I have been present and involved in situations where passengres arriving by air have destroyed their documents (usually tearing up and flushing down the loo) in flight.

Why might they do that.
Firstly to get on the aircraft they had to have valid documents - any doubts at all and the airline won't take a chance as it costs ?200 per person if they get it wrong (plus all the costs with detention and repatriation)- with most tickets within Europe costing less than this it leaves the airline out of pocket. Better to turn someone away and refund than take the chance.

Secondly as I undersatand it the international asylum rules/laws say that to reject a claim for asylum you must be able to say that the individual (note: individual) is not at risk in their country of origin.

If you don't know who they are you can't reject the asylum claim until you do - cause how can you say someone u don't know from somehere u don't know where is not at risk.

The peeps claiming asylum know this and play it for all it's worth. How long/how much cost do u think it takes to establish who someone is and where they are from?

I've spoken to some of these peeps before immigration/police and been able to carry out a conversation in English only to see them moments later apearing not to understand any English - I've always interrupted and enlightened.......

I'm afraid the losers in this are the real genuine asylum seekers. Having said that I think you'll find there are very few in genuine danger as they enter the UK. Reason I say that is that most into UK arrive via Europe - not direct from the country they originated/were in danger. The rules are supposed to be that they make the asylum claim in the first "safe" country they arrive in.

So how can you pass through Germany, France, Netherlands, Switzerland and only claim safety when u get to the UK??

 

[derek kelly]

D&D

There are genuine Asylum seekers in this country, but you never hear from them because they are grateful to be safe, the ones that demand this and that have never known oppression, how do I know? because they are too arrogant.

 

[roXXo]

Derek and FB

I don't disagree at all with some of your sentiments. There are criminals in all groups of people and the law should apply equally to all and those that play the race card should not get away with it.
I do not disagree that the pc brigade has ruined alot.

I repeat my main points were that
one group does not have a monopolism on using terror
The deer and the lion shite is that. just shite. We are all human beings.

Illegal immigrants are criminals by their being here, illegally.

Let's not get confused with giving asylum those that are fleeing other countries because of persecution.

Unfortunately the innocent get tarred with the same brush as those that are here illegally through criminal activity, corrupt governmet departments, lazyness, the pc brigade, do gooders and greedy lawyers paid by us the tax payer to defend the indefensible.

I hope that clarifies my postion a little better.
Multiculturism includes the indigenous population.

Further I have no problems with Derek or Steve. I have met Derek before and today I met Steve. Both fine fellows but I do have an issue with their main points that they posted on here, which were offensive.
I am willing to believe that both Derek and Steve didn't mean their posts to read as they did. Sometimes we need to re read / edit our posts before we submit them.

:beer:

 

[derek kelly]

Roxxo My posts were not meant to be offensive and I appologise if you found them to be, I am merely expressing my opinion based on my own dealings. for a multicultural society everybody has to be equally committed to making it work, and unfortunately the immigrants that are swamping the country are only interested in themselves, it maybe that the ones you have come across portray a different outlook, and there are decent people in all walks of life, however the further you go into areas densely populated by Asians and Eastern europeans etc the less decency you will find.

 

[roXXo]

No Probs Derek.
I apologise for being so opinionated and rude.
As I said in the last post it was the deer and lion bit that made me see red.

The law must be applied equally, without fear or favour but we all know it is not.
:beer:

 

[Fat Bert]

Nice~~~

That's that arguement sorted amicably

Now..................

Can we get back to tyre pressures?
































Hat...............Coat......................gone!!

 

[roXXo]

No it isn't.

I haven't finished with you yet FB.




Oh Bollocks. Yes I have.




:k


The sun is shining, the birds are singing, God is in his heaven, roxxo's had his pills and alls right with the world.

 

[Wolfie]

give a little love, take a little love let the sun come shining in through,

 

[derek kelly]

No Probs Derek.
I apologise for being so opinionated and rude.
As I said in the last post it was the deer and lion bit that made me see red.

The law must be applied equally, without fear or favour but we all know it is not.
:beer:

hey we are all entitled to opinions, and when we feel strongly enough about something we can be percieved as coming across rude and aggressive. Now here is the twist
I am glad that you saw red to the deer and Lion quote, because it was actually a misquote it was none other than Abu Hamza himself who stated "The mighty Lion of the East should take arms and slaughter the Lambs of the West"

 

[gypsy]

hey we are all entitled to opinions, and when we feel strongly enough about something we can be percieved as coming across rude and aggressive. Now here is the twist
I am glad that you saw red to the deer and Lion quote, because it was actually a misquote it was none other than Abu Hamza himself who stated "The mighty Lion of the East should take arms and slaughter the Lambs of the West"

glad i kept quiet
i thought it was from the "lion king"

 

[Bubba]

See, now this is what I dont get. Most of you have sat in here and argued that, in basic terms that all muslims are the same, all terrorists and should be sent back. Now I have seen that this was not meant but thats what the terrorists want. Has anyone noticed the Muslim, Christian and Catholic churches STANDING TOGETHER on the news? The muslim community is, and quite rightly very nervous of a racial, bigoted backlash that only morons in this country can seem to cobble together. As it turns out, its looking like the perbitrators of this terrible crime could be english or of english descent, also dear reader please note that the claim from the Al-quida, (SP), group has not yet been confirmed. Does this seem familier to anyone? Remember the Oklahoma bombing? All fingers pointed East, turned out to be one of their own. What confuses me though is the short term memory loss that a lot of people suffer from. 10 years ago in Srebrenica over 8000 muslim men and boys were killed by Sebian forces. the whole world was deplored by this massacre, I believe several dutch troops were killed in this action trying to defend the town. As a result, bristish troops were sent into the area. Now 10 years on and the muslims are public enemy no 1? Dont forget that we was slaughtering them in the crusades "in the name of god" Could it be a touch of what goes around......???

I do however agree with the notion of sealing the borders while we lick our wounds. As a nation we do need to readdress the lable that this country has of being "a soft touch"

Unlike some, I do not have friends that are multiculteral, (I shagged a black lass once, does that count?), but I have served with asians and muslims. One of which was in the news when we went back to Iraq for "Refusing to serve on the grounds of religion" Reckoned being a Muslim he would find it hard fireing upon fellow Muslims. Sorry but as far as I am concerned you've joined the forces, Mates first, religion last. Your being fired on, yo dont bother to check if their wearing the same turban or have been circumcised, you shoot back! Twat got what he deserved, dishonerable discharge!

As for this thing about kids being taken to visit Mosques and no planned visit to a church, what are you lot on? While I was at school my class was taken into a Synagog, (SP again). Never visited a church, had no affect on me whatsoever. Its making comments like "They went to a mosque but not to a church to readdress the balance" that can be read as a rasist comment.

If you have found any comments in this post to be offensive then I apologise but at least you read the fackin' thing!

 

[derek kelly]

I think the point being made Bubba, was how many moslems in that school had to visit a church, to redress the balance, the favouritism shown to the supposed minorities in this country is out of balance tipping the scales of racism against the british, the frightening thing is a foreign sex offender in a maximum security prison has more rights than an elderley person living in sheltered accomodation.