OK, I've had enough now.

[andyBeaker]

No mate. You have said nothing to improve you position.
I reiterate, the riders in question might well be not terribly sensible but they cost no one money or time.
When football hooligans restrict pain, suffering and financial lose to themselves and or the immediate footballists, then and only then will such argument be valid

Total cobblers you patronising git

When they wipe themselves all over the road and anyone or anything that happens to be in the way they cost plenty money and time.

I agree with what you say about 'football' hooligans in your post immediately above,............but you have changed the subject! Initially you tarred all football fans with the same brush - that was what I objected to.

 

[Cougar377]

Well the one that came past me at high speed then dropped in front of me, sat up and turned round to look for his equally moronic mates with his hand off the throttle did piss me off. The fact that he was in shorts and vest was up to him.

Lesser men than me wouldn't have braked and just mown him down.

John, we all know that the cretins that ride like this and spend the rest of the time popping (rather pathetic) wheelies are the ones that give motorbikelists a bad name.

On that basis you might want to agree that it is a minority of football 'supporters' that give the rest a bad name.

A fair point. There are cnuts in both groups and it's always the "high profile" stuff that determines the often unfair majority opinion of the public.

Unwarranted changes in the law often come about because such arseholes are observed and then reported in the press as being the defacto standard for their particular groups attitudes and behaviours.

 

[Mitch]

Is this an appropriate time to mention that I'm not a soccer fan at all? The last footballers I admired was Stuart Pierce, or "Psycho" and Terry Butcher (who famously refused to come off the field in an England world cup game while blood was pouring down his face from a scalp wound). They never rolled around the floor clutching anything... they are/were a 'hard men' who took the knocks as part of the game. Compare modern Soccer players to Modern Rugby Footballers (both disciplines) and I am ashamed to see grown men trying to play "The beautiful Game" but rolling around after a fierce breeze (cause by another player NEARLY contacting them). The contrast is obvious when you see Rugby Union (preferred) and Rugby League players hitting each other like speeding trains and for the most part continuing to play on!
Why has beer not been banned at Rugby grounds? Why is there no crowd separation at Rugby grounds? There are sinners in the Rugby fraternity, just as there are in any group. But to judge a group by the actions of a minority within it, is a flawed position. A position taken all too frequently by the Nanny governments of the UK.

Having said all that, I am at heart a Hooliganbiker ... well, I was. Now I'm more of a Mobility Scooter speed freak!

 

[andyBeaker]

Is this an appropriate time to mention that I'm not a soccer fan at all? The last footballers I admired was Stuart Pierce, or "Psycho" and Terry Butcher (who famously refused to come off the field in an England world cup game while blood was pouring down his face from a scalp wound). They never rolled around the floor clutching anything... they are/were a 'hard men' who took the knocks as part of the game. Compare modern Soccer players to Modern Rugby Footballers (both disciplines) and I am ashamed to see grown men trying to play "The beautiful Game" but rolling around after a fierce breeze (cause by another player NEARLY contacting them). The contrast is obvious when you see Rugby Union (preferred) and Rugby League players hitting each other like speeding trains and for the most part continuing to play on!
Why has beer not been banned at Rugby grounds? Why is there no crowd separation at Rugby grounds? There are sinners in the Rugby fraternity, just as there are in any group. But to judge a group by the actions of a minority within it, is a flawed position. A position taken all too frequently by the Nanny governments of the UK.

Having said all that, I am at heart a Hooliganbiker ... well, I was. Now I'm more of a Mobility Scooter speed freak!

Er, beer hasn't been banned at football grounds. It may have been at one time, but it certainly hasn't been for many years.

I don't particularly agree with your views on rugby union. I have only been to Twickenham twice (both through work and under duress!), both times were marred somewhat by middle aged drunk men behaving boorishly inside and outside the stadium and on public transport, clearly mistakenly thinking they were being amusing, in essence just being annoying to the majority. It could be argued that I am tarring the sport because of the actions of a minority? Sound familiar?

I do however agree with footballers rolling around like they have been shot. However, Anyone that has played the game knows that any decent contact at knee height or below tends to hurt a lot as there isn't much body fat to protect bones in those areas - I don't think a lot of people understand that. However, there is so much play acting around other types of contact that it is embarrassing.

 

[Mitch]

You're right, AB. There is so much fat between my ears I rarely felt the boots to my head... or even being punched for that matter.
I also agree that some of the most severe sporting injuries occur in Soccer rather than Rugby, due to the nature of knee and ankle injuries by being kicked off the park by an idiot intent on hurting their opponents. But that does rather feed the old saying that Soccer is a game for gentle played by hooligans and Rugby is the game for hooligans played by Gentlemen... (except where we look at League... them's hard men!)

 

[Cougar377]

Er, beer hasn't been banned at football grounds. It may have been at one time, but it certainly hasn't been for many years.

I don't particularly agree with your views on rugby union. I have only been to Twickenham twice (both through work and under duress!), both times were marred somewhat by middle aged drunk men behaving boorishly inside and outside the stadium and on public transport, clearly mistakenly thinking they were being amusing, in essence just being annoying to the majority. It could be argued that I am tarring the sport because of the actions of a minority? Sound familiar?

I do however agree with footballers rolling around like they have been shot. However, Anyone that has played the game knows that any decent contact at knee height or below tends to hurt a lot as there isn't much body fat to protect bones in those areas - I don't think a lot of people understand that. However, there is so much play acting around other types of contact that it is embarrassing.

Having been kicked in the shins more than once, by my beloved...I can attest to the severity of the pain.

 

[andyBeaker]

You're right, AB. There is so much fat between my ears I rarely felt the boots to my head... or even being punched for that matter.
I also agree that some of the most severe sporting injuries occur in Soccer rather than Rugby, due to the nature of knee and ankle injuries by being kicked off the park by an idiot intent on hurting their opponents. But that does rather feed the old saying that Soccer is a game for gentle played by hooligans and Rugby is the game for hooligans played by Gentlemen... (except where we look at League... them's hard men!)

If they are so hard why do they wear so much protective gear??

Jessies.

 

[Mitch]

If they are so hard why do they wear so much protective gear??

Jessies.

Some of my best friends are Jessies... Come to think of it, I know a lot of Jessies and I've not met them all in person yet!

 

[derek kelly]

In all my years of playing football I only had two relatively serious injuries, first one was whilst representing HMS Warrior v RAF Uxbridge in the Admiralty cup at watford's vicarage road ground, I took a boot in the nads, I remember getting up off the deck & I can remember running toward the goal, next thing I remember is eating rice pudding in the sick bay at Warrior, apparently I collapsed & was only out for a matter of seconds but I was rambling incoherently (cue the comments) a couple of days under obs in sick bay saw me right.

Second was playing in our sports hall at wakey, I went in for a tackle & fell to the floor, my foot didn't move & my sole was flat on the floor with my leg parallel to the floor, torn ligaments, ouch.

In just over a year of playing walking football I have suffered ligament damage three times.

 

[Cougar377]

In all my years of playing football I only had two relatively serious injuries, first one was whilst representing HMS Warrior v RAF Uxbridge in the Admiralty cup at watford's vicarage road ground, I took a boot in the nads, I remember getting up off the deck & I can remember running toward the goal, next thing I remember is eating rice pudding in the sick bay at Warrior, apparently I collapsed & was only out for a matter of seconds but I was rambling incoherently (cue the comments) a couple of days under obs in sick bay saw me right.

Second was playing in our sports hall at wakey, I went in for a tackle & fell to the floor, my foot didn't move & my sole was flat on the floor with my leg parallel to the floor, torn ligaments, ouch.

In just over a year of playing walking football I have suffered ligament damage three times.

RAF Uxbridge....sounds like you fell foul (apologies...) of some of my lot on QCS. I think all the parade work makes them mean.

 

[derek kelly]

RAF Uxbridge....sounds like you fell foul (apologies...) of some of my lot on QCS. I think all the parade work makes them mean.

They were shit at football, probably how I took one in the knackers

 

[Cougar377]

They were shit at football, probably how I took one in the knackers

That would've been the Guins, then.