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[mickvfr800fiw]

Living in a hot country who would voluntarily dress from head to toe in black?
Muslim women may give the impression that they are wearing the niqab voluntarily but I doubt that they would do so if they were really given a choice, many Muslim women in this country have lived here for over 30 years & still do not speak English, many have not even ventured to the local shop unaccompanied.

Again , so what

 

[mickvfr800fiw]

Which sounds lovely andy but you re incorrect. Until that country is 100% Muslim then you cannot say it is a muslim ban and you know that as many muslim countries also have christian, sikh and jewish members of their populations.

If it was a muslim ban then many more countries would have been on that list and again as mentioned, these countries were identified by Obama and the visa waiver programme being adjusted by obama for these countries due to their risk.

As to Austria, in what way is it not clear cut?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38808495

Its a predominantly Muslim ban .

This EO has nothing at all to do with Obamas 2011 Iraq slow down of refugees entering the us . He didn't put a total ban on iraqs in 2011 as you and others on here have claimed he slowed the flow of Iraq refugees he didn't halt their entry .
Do some research and get your facts right . It is YOU who is incorrect

 

[noobie]

Its a predominantly Muslim ban .

Nope, now sit down get a cup of tea and see if this will sink in

There are estimated to be 1.6 billion muslims in the world but his latest executive order only covers In fact, seven countries named in the new immigration action – Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen – only one, Iran, is among the 10 countries with the largest Muslim populations.

He has said these few countries are on a suspension list till they review their situation, at NO time has he said to any official, if a muslim comes to our gates, send them home, not once. The refernce has been their country

Now to my knowledge and I'm happy to be corrected, unless you have proof that every single muslim that tries to enter America is banned then it is not a muslim ban, have you that proof?

His action involves those countries and those from those countries but NOT all muslims.

It's also worth pointing out that there is no ban, there is a suspension. If you want to see what a ban looks like then try and use an Israeli passport in malaysia or 17 middle eastern countries, that sir is what a real ban looks like

This EO has nothing at all to do with Obamas 2011 Iraq slow down of refugees entering the us . He didn't put a total ban on iraqs in 2011 as you and others on here have claimed he slowed the flow of Iraq refugees he didn't halt their entry .

Trump got these countries direct from Obama's action were he removed those countries from the visa waiver programme due to concerns. Obama Refusing to do any visa applications on a country for 6 months is closer to a ban than Trumps suspension for a far far shorter period

Do some research and get your facts right . It is YOU who is incorrect

I have not once felt the need to call others with a different view to you "wankers" in your offensive manner or continue to insist "I'm the only one how knows anything in an offensive manner".

That maybe how you communicate in an attempt to quieten others down but is unlikely to work in here

 

[Squag1]

Again , so what

Well it is suggested by immigrant leaders that this isolation is part of the problem of radicalisation. I saw it being discussed by them.

 

[Dark Angel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA

Trump has a simplistic view of the world, and he has the power
to impose that view upon the people of the United States.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq0rbR5Ap3c

He is a leader, the like of which has not been seen for many a year
in that his sphere of influence is global, while his core knowledge and
understanding of ?politics? is purely anecdotal, parochial, and which he
utilises to create fear and consternation in the US population at large..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iPQvVE1gmM

p0pc0rn41

 

[noobie]

You can blame Trump all you want, but this is the reason he is in office

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

And it strikes me that just like the extreme remainers, you deliberately avoid the real issue

Brexit happened because of the way the EU is run, Trump happened because the way the American political establishment ran

Now adults will say, you know we failed, let's look at our systems, why we lost and if we need to change.

Others who blame Trump, blame the U.K. but shhhh never look at ourselves is the mantra of those who always think it is someone else's fault,simply hide the truth

 

[noobie]

Mick I see the way I word stuff seems not to be sinking in so I will offer a differing way

I will offer 3 questions with 3 answers and see if you can match them correctly and also which one offends you the most

(1) Who has placed a temporary suspension on migration on 7 countries for 90 days due to concerns that were also shared by the previous president

(2) Who placed a block for 6 months on one country by refusing to deal with any applications for migration from that country

(3) Who has enforced a lifetime ban on anyone with an Israeli passport

The answers to choose from are Trump, Obama and 17 Muslim countries

You're welcome.

 

[Dark Angel]

You can blame Trump all you want, but this is the reason he is in office

Where have I attributed ?blame? to Trump?

And it strikes me that just like the extreme remainers, you deliberately avoid the real issue

What ? by providing a link to what was actually said (not ?claimed? or ?reported?), as you have with Clinton?

I have not once felt the need to call others with a different view to you "wankers" in your offensive manner or continue to insist "I'm the only one how knows anything in an offensive manner"

A lot of piss and wind by professional whingers

:dunno:

Blame Trump, blame the U.K. but shhhh never look at ourselves is the mantra of those who always think it is someone else's fault.

Everyone else is wrong, aren?t they, noobie?? :dunno:

 

[noobie]

Everyone[/URL] else is wrong, aren?t they, noobie?? :dunno:

Nope. My point is that most of those aiming at Trump and aiming at Brexit claiming to want equality, but only want their version of it

You see it almost everyday on tv, silly signs about democracy whilst ignoring the most recent democratic votes

you see it when they protest about a temporary suspension on migration in countries they do not live in and about countries they do not live in either but yet at the same time ignore the countries who actually enforce real life bans based on who you are

and you see it daily when you have politicians when they say I respect the peoples vote BUT

Trump is a result of a situation, brexit is a result of a situation and all these equality people (who mostly are a one sided equality only) need to sort out the problems that caused it and own it

 

[Dark Angel]

I understand what you're saying - and I agree with you on the points you've made so clearly.

 

[noobie]

My apologies da for being, so direct

 

[Dark Angel]

No apologies are necessary, you?re obviously - and rightly - passionate about your beliefs, as we all are.

I?d like to clarify, though, that President Trump?s executive order not only suspends the US refugee programme
for four months, but it also suspends all US intake of Syrian refugees indefinitely, and bars visitors and migrants
from seven Muslim-majority countries for 90 days.

 

[derek kelly]

Again , so what

Go to any town or City in this country where there is a large Muslim population, you will see several groups of Muslim women but you will not see their faces, go to any group & try to talk to them even if it's just to ask directions, do they refuse to answer you out of ignorance or because they don't speak English or because their husband/sons will find out & give her a beating? Any of those answers is relevant

 

[slim63]

Everyone else is wrong, aren?t they, noobie?? :dunno:

Don't you think a Democrat may have an axe to grind with Republican?

just saying as usually your arguments are well thought out, but in this case I think you may be missing something :-0)

 

[Dark Angel]

Don't you think a Democrat may have an axe to grind with Republican? just saying as usually your arguments are well thought out, but in this case I think you may be missing something

:} Not just Democrats, Slim - and, no -

...I don't think I'm missing anything, but if I am...

... I'm sure you'll let me know! :-0)

 

[slim63]

Of course politicians always tell the truth & would never start a smear campaign would they, sorry I forgot that :-0)

 

[Dark Angel]

Of course politicians always tell the truth

Of course they do! :whi5tl:

Politicians..? :bow:

@tu*

 

[Cougar377]

:} Not just Democrats, Slim - and, no -

...I don't think I'm missing anything, but if I am...

... I'm sure you'll let me know! :-0)

Paint him green and he could pass for Kermit....

 

[Dark Angel]

Bwahahahahahaha-aaar! :}

That is Kermit, ya daft bugga..

..in make up!! 8rfl@

 

[andyBeaker]

Let us not forget that the general public Voted for 'Please Mr Postman' as the best Carpenters song ever.