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ST1300 's possible probs..

Jono

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I would say that, given the fact who the people are that are using them, tyre pressures are religiously checked each day, the panniers if loaded at all will only be very lightly loaded, and they won't be in pursuit of anything, just high speed riding where the road conditions allows. I don't think I would have been too happy to be told when purchasing my 'Bird, don't exceed 80mph 'cause it might become unstable! :eek:
 

Murt

Letch
Jono said:
I don't think I would have been too happy to be told when purchasing my 'Bird, don't exceed 80mph 'cause it might become unstable! :eek:

I was just thinking that Myself!

I think Mr Honda had better get a grip, the words, 'not fit for purpose' under trading standards come to mind.
If thats the case of course
:rolleyes:
Murt
 
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AndyXXV

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Until this thread appeared I was on the brink of buying a Pan to go with the Bird but now I'm considering an R1200RT or R1150RT ....... am I over-reacting / taken leave of ......?
 

Bob Pinder

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ajr said:
Until this thread appeared I was on the brink of buying a Pan to go with the Bird but now I'm considering an R1200RT or R1150RT ....... am I over-reacting / taken leave of ......?


You're not over reacting - most of the 1300 pans in professional use throughoput the UK have either been (temporarily) removed or had limits put on their speeds...............

If this is the sort of bike your'e after why not go for the BMW K1200GT, not the fat evil handling old pig currently available but this beauty

I take you haven't heard about the R1200RT gearbox failures then................
 

Cyclops

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I cant see what the problem is 8l1nd





After all the fastest we are allowed to travel on a public road is 70MPH :rolleyes:



Man was not ment to travel faster than that, as it could have all sorts of strange side effects
 
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Wolfie

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Cyclops said:
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I cant see what the problem is 8l1nd





After all the fastest we are allowed to travel on a public road is 70MPH :rolleyes:



Man was not ment to travel fater than that, as it could have all sorts of strange side effects


stronger side effects if you dont cycleclips, living poof is bert!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
 

ianrobbo1

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Ian, I was on "the other" site today!! shit loads more going on over there innit?? :bow: you may have spoken to Gyppo about it!! :dunno:
 
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AndyXXV

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Bob, thanks for the tip, I hadn't seen the BMW K1200GT but I can't wait that long and it'll probably be pricey. I hadn't heard of the, R1200RT gearbox failures either despite having a look at their board. Maybe a R1150RT is the answer for now as I'm looking for a tourer to do some winter miles (strange I know).
 
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Rods

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ajr said:
Bob, thanks for the tip, I hadn't seen the BMW K1200GT but I can't wait that long and it'll probably be pricey. I hadn't heard of the, R1200RT gearbox failures either despite having a look at their board. Maybe a R1150RT is the answer for now as I'm looking for a tourer to do some winter miles (strange I know).
yamaha fjr 1300?
 
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AndyXXV

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Had thought about the Yam Rod but felt it was too close to the Bird, I'm looking for more tourer less sports.
 
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bitontheside

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ajr said:
Bob, thanks for the tip, I hadn't seen the BMW K1200GT but I can't wait that long and it'll probably be pricey. I hadn't heard of the, R1200RT gearbox failures either despite having a look at their board. Maybe a R1150RT is the answer for now as I'm looking for a tourer to do some winter miles (strange I know).

R1200gs or an older 1150gs?
 
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AndyXXV

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Test rode the GS but seat too high and when you're used to looking at a Bird i't's bloody ugly! it'll have to be an RT.
 

Supabird1100

Registered User
The STX1300 that I had would weave like a bastard over the ton, didn't matter if I was solo...Trace on the pillion...boxes empty or laden....and it had the recall mod done to re-torque the engine mounting bolts.
Dealer reckoned it was something to do with the electric screen position at speeds over 100mph. His advice was to ride with the screen in the lowest setting at high speed. :dunno:

I did the obvious thing.....sold it !!!!!!! :}
 

Jono

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Supabird1100 said:
The STX1300 that I had would weave like a bastard over the ton, didn't matter if I was solo...Trace on the pillion...boxes empty or laden....and it had the recall mod done to re-torque the engine mounting bolts.
Dealer reckoned it was something to do with the electric screen position at speeds over 100mph. His advice was to ride with the screen in the lowest setting at high speed. :dunno:

I did the obvious thing.....sold it !!!!!!! :}

I would say that was a bloody wise move!!! Interesting to watch Mr Honda's next move over this bike, I think the %$fan
 
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AndyXXV

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I wonder whether one of Mr Honda's minions looks at this and similar sites to see what is being said by their existing and potential customers. If so let's hope they listen, if not they should, it would save on focus group costs.
 

ianrobbo1

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ajr said:
I wonder whether one of Mr Honda's minions looks at this and similar sites to see what is being said by their existing and potential customers. If so let's hope they listen, if not they should, it would save on focus group costs.
:lol: Behave!!! :lol: just like all "big" successful firms they start to believe they are more important than their customers!! and start dictating to "us" what they decide what "we" want!! :mad: they must have thousands coming into their main dealers complaining each day, and look what difference that doesn't make!! :bang:
 

Supabird1100

Registered User
Jono said:
I would say that was a bloody wise move!!!

Too true Jono !!!! I part-ex'ed my 'Bird for the Pan with a view to doing my 50 mile each way daily commute on it. Worst move I ever made.

Lost money on the 'Bird.....lost money on the Pan when I sold it....and it's taken me 5 months to recoup some cash to enable me to buy another bike (been bikeless for the first time in donkey's years)

To top it all the Pan makes a shit commuter tool. Too heavy....too wide .. the mirrors are at the same height as most car mirrors so filtering is a pig.

Things can only get better !!!! :lick:
 
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exhornet900

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Can I say first off, that what I say now is not any official report, simply my findings on the police spec ST1300.

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I felt very sad when I first heard about the officer in Liverpool. It came through on an email to one of my supervisors. Here was a guy training to do what is one of the most enjoyable aspects of policing and dies doing so. I really feel for his family and colleagues.

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Until earlier this year I was allocated an older Pan, the ST1100. I felt this was a superb bike, easy to lift onto the centre stand, panniers correct size to fit folding cones and A4 all weather writers in, handled perfectly but suffered slightly from a pulling forward feeling at your back at speed. Looks-wise, compared to the ST1300 the ST1100 is an ugly git.

Then I moved stations and was allocated a newish ST1300. I'd ridden them during training and when my old bike was in for a service but now I had one day in and day out. And although it is comfortable to ride, it knackers my back putting it on the centre stand, appears to have less useable capacity in the panniers and due to handling problems is now restricted to 100 mph!

Earlier this year all the force's ST1300 went back to ***** for modifications to the suspension because of horrendous weaves and tank slappers around 120 mph.

I don't know the costs of buying the bikes, refitting them to police spec and then modifying the suspension but when they came back I had to test ride mine (as we all did). I took the bike on a windless, dry day onto the motorway. The tyre pressures were correct, tyres in very good condition and I weigh 16 1/2 stone. (Probably 17 stone when togged in full protective gear). I had not changed the suspension settings from how it was received back from the factory.

The bike started to weave at 120 mph and when I tried to ride through it, the weave started to develop into a tank slapper. Its not just my bike, all but one of the motorcyclists report the same experience. (The one who didn't experience the problem is only about 11 stone). It is a frightening experience.

I do not know the weight of the radio, lights and messaging equipment fitted to police bikes. In the panniers I usually carry 4 fold away cones, a small first aid kit, waterproof jacket and trousers, A4 size all weather writer, breathaliser, tyre depth gauge and a few writing pads. A guess at the combined weight of stuff in the panniers being 4 to 5 kilos spread between the two panniers.

One of my sergeants has a civilian spec ST1300 pan and reports no problems whatsoever, even when touring fully loaded with a pillion abroad.

I like Hondas. The build quality is the best there is...in my opinion. It is a MUCH more comforatble bike to ride than the FJR, (we've got a police spec FJR), the ST1300 gives better weather protection than the FJR and the BMW (we have a couple of these), and is easier to patrol on. But the handling aspect is worrying. Having said that, the occasions where speeds in excess of 100 mph are needed do not happen (to me) on a daily basis. As an Advanced Police Rider I've been trained to ride at the maximum speed that the bike will allow. If I was VIP trained, that WOULD mean using well in excess of 100 mph many times and obviously the ST1300 is struggling in this area!

But what do I do if there is a report of someone driving dangerously and fast, say a mile or so further up the road? I can't catch them up if they are moving if I'm restricted to 100 mph.

Would I have an ST1300 for myself? Yes, if they were cheaper and I was a bit older. But I'd tend to leave it more on the side stand because it's balance for the centre stand is poor. My BMW Rockster is so well balanced here compared to the ST1300. Also, I say yes, I'd have one because I can't see myself reaching 120 mph when off duty.

So there you are! My opinions / experiences.
 
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AndyXXV

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Good post exhornet900, thanks and thanks to all for their threepenurth. I've gone for a 2001 ST100 which so far, seems just right for what I need it to do.
If I get into this touring thing in a big way I might look at the R1200RT or ST1300 (my Bird is not comfy on LONG trips with my dodgy back).
 
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