ST1300 's possible probs..

[Murt]

Just veiwed a thread on a Cop site about a fatal accident involving a Merseyside police bike instructor ( M58 on Tuesday I think) on a Pan ST 1300.
ALL of the bikes have now been taken out of service after this unexplained accident.

It may be for 'checks' but a lot of officers have commented on worries after high speed weaving ( lock to lock !) on these bikes.
Also.. comments on the stability when the tyre pressures change by only two or three psi.
I am obviously not saying that these bikes have a problem ( arse covering time) but, for those of you who have one, or know someone who has one, take care !

Can't get the page to copy due to it being password access.. sorry.

Murt.

 

[Samster]

Sounds familiar..........remember the police beemers that used to go into a perpetual weave above 100mph? They blamed that on the extra weight of the additional equipment and gadgetry.............yeah right!

 

[Rods]

i've heard this from several police officers re weave at speeds over the ton. honda said they'd soughted it winter 2003... obviously not then. maybe that's why the new bird isn't out yet then?:bang:

 

[Codbasher]

I thought the weave problem on Pan's was caused by the engine mount bolts not being done up correctly??? There was a recall to do them??

May be wrong, usually am....

 

[Stuey]

Hi Murt,

do you know if the feds have top boxes fitted?

stu

 

[Oldbull]

Dammm.. my mate and his wife who come touring with us bought a new one last year and I know hes not aware of this.. it will knock is duck off because its his pride and joy... do you think it will be a case of shooting the messenger if I tell him.. mite it be better not to set seeds in there heads if this problem has been sorted.. His has not had a recall as far as Im aware..:dunno:

Allso I have another mate who works in a Honda dealer..when we were chatting t'other day he said he wasnt allowed to talk about it .. but he wouldnt buy a 1300 personally..

gonna get him on the phone NOW and get to know whats what..

wouldnt be a very good mate if I didnt mention it to him I think .... dooooh

 

[Rods]

the problems that i had heard about were only at extreme speeds (ie over the ton). does your mate do this kinda speed? it may of course be a different problem, if , as codbasher says, the weave problem has already been rectified :dunno:

 

[AndyXXV]

That's a bit of a worry, I'm just about to go for a Pan 1300 to keep my XX company, has there been a recall? I seem to remember reading something about a high speed weave on the Pan but dismissed it at the time. If it's only a problem above a ton ...... it's a problem.

 

[Duck n Dive]

Murt, really sorry to hear about that chap.

Condolences to his family. :xm

 

[Oldbull]

the problems that i had heard about were only at extreme speeds (ie over the ton). does your mate do this kinda speed? it may of course be a different problem, if , as codbasher says, the weave problem has already been rectified :dunno:

Well Rods.. he dont ride it like a gixxer thou if thats what you mean but he has his moments and do some high speed two up stuff. especially if we have a boat/train to catch if you get my drift..

I aggree with AJR.. if theres a problem at any speed, it wants sorting..

and yes ..was forgetting about the poor guy that got killed..
condolences to his family ..

 

[Stuey]

I have found that they do weave when riding solo and a top box fitted, although I wouldn't ever say it was alarming, just not as planted as a Bird. This problem is also evident with a pillion but doesn't start till you get up to 120 ish, and again I wouldn't say it was dangerous.
Hope they sort it soon, and of coarse condolences to his NOK.

stu

 

[R2B2]

There's a bit about it here.....

http://www.bikersoracle.com/paneuropean/forum/showthread.php?t=36

and a bit about a recall for a couple of other things here.......

http://www.bikersoracle.com/paneuropean/forum/showthread.php?t=42

 

[deller4]

I bought a new 1300ST pan in July, parted ex the blackbird for it, but took the pan back after 5 weeks and got a new blackbird.
I just could not get on with the bike, it also went light on the front at speeds over 100mph, with or without a pillion, became twitchy, which never gave me a lot of confidance with the bike at speed and so could never really gell with the bike, tried to like it but just didn't happen after that so it was back the to Honda dealer for a new blackbird.

 

[Jono]

Talking to some "friends" that ride them for a living they all know about a weave or wobble that comes in normally over the ton mark, but not always!!! There is no certain speed when it happens, all bikes / riders have had different experiences, no topboxes fitted and obviously no pillions.

 

[Barrie]

That's a bit of a worry, I'm just about to go for a Pan 1300 to keep my XX company, has there been a recall? I seem to remember reading something about a high speed weave on the Pan but dismissed it at the time. If it's only a problem above a ton ...... it's a problem.

I rode one of these recently and wasnt impressed. I hit the rev limiter very easily and the engine was "vibey" above 4k rpm. No weave happened above 100mph but that is worrying, with all the reports of this potential problem it seems that it is very unpredictable . I owned an ST1100 a few years ago and would have another in preference to the STX1300. The STX1300 feels lighter than the ST1100 but it's still a big lump.

 

[Murt]

Further info and posts on the site are suggesting that a number of Police forces have taken the ST1300 off the road until the matter has been 'investigated' by Honda / testing.

Also that a number of Police bikers are unhappy with the way the bike handles over the ton, and in some cases, slower!

I must admit, a lot of forces do appear to be loading them to almost the limit with kit, so that may be a factor ( again... allegedly, it is reported, i am told.. and anything else that covers arse and the site).
Murt

Will update any info when it comes..

 

[bitontheside]

I don't know any further details but this bobby was in a collision with a lorry. RIP.

 

[Wolfie]

Aye well said BOTS

RIP mate.

 

[Jono]

Apparently not off the road, just limited to under 100 mph. It happened on an advanced bike course, apparently.

 

[Oldbull]

spoke to my mate at the Honda dealer last night and he said that they are testing them as we speak.. he allso mentioned that the main factor was the way the boxs were loaded..correct tyre presures a must and the manner that they get to a ton plus..ie in hot persuit of a gixxer thou or summat and nailing it in every gear...

spoke to Steve as well last night who owns the pan and he said that honda had sent him some info on the correct loading methods and recomend not to go above 80mph when laden.. allso said that he has not noticed any thing that causes him to be concerned and his bike has not been recalled for anything :dunno:

Dave