Paul H how's me old black beauty doing

[tony1100]

Paul,

Hope you have had many hours of pleasure from me old black beauty..glad it went to a good home...

Do miss the bike... the grin is still there on my face with the Fazer, but I must say it is considerably smaller..I have to keep reminding myself why I had to sell the Beauty to consol myself that I did the right thing... Must say have not had any further burning neck pains though.

The Fazer does have other advantages...Mmmmm oh yeah... no neck pain...oh goes round corners faster...Mmmm what else... better on petrol..strugling now... :dunno:

 

[marcusfordus]

comparison

How much better on fuel, than the Bird then ? ( was it a FI one ? )

 

[D.S.]

The Fazer does have other advantages...Mmmmm oh yeah... no neck pain...oh goes round corners faster...Mmmm what else... better on petrol..strugling now... :dunno:

Whats all this consolation nonsense Tony? Ya need to come out on a ride out with us before I get my BMW. I've never missed the barge. Add the following to ya list:

lighter
better brakes :bow:
better (fully adjustable :bow: ) suspension (front & rear :f )
steers quicker
turns better
better riding position (for our requirements )
better lights
longer service intervals
shall I carry on :dunno:
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but it's not as pretty as the barge :cry:Alhough I ain't looking at it when I'm riding it and I ain't a posseur.

 

[tony1100]

okay...okay apart from the contents of list that you have added...what have the romans ever done for us...

I suppose your right... it is a different bike, it is certainly all that you list and more..

whats this about a BMW then.. I have had thoughts in the past of getting one of those...the new 1200 is a strange angular design... but must say it seems to be growing on me.

marcusfordus:

I used to get around 90- 120 ( if i was lucky)miles from a tak of fuel on the BB, more typically I would say around 100 miles per tank. the fazer around 150 - 170 typically 150 miles per tank of fuel.


So when you wanna go out for a ride then joe.. just hitting the 1000 miles now so engine just loosening up, although it does seem to have this strange lots of bolts in a plastic bucket sort of noise.. and the gears are shite... very notchy cannot get neutral when coming to a stop, bike has to be at standstill before I can get neutral, not like the bird.

explined this on first service but they said this is how the G/B are on fazer thou :dunno:

and tick over around 1500 seems a bit excessive told them about this to, but still the same, when selecting 1st it clonks into gear... I know moan...moan...moan... never happy

 

[RHINO]

Whats all this consolation nonsense Tony? Ya need to come out on a ride out with us before I get my BMW. I've never missed the barge. Add the following to ya list:

lighter
better brakes :bow:
better (fully adjustable :bow: ) suspension (front & rear :f )
steers quicker
turns better
better riding position (for our requirements )
better lights
longer service intervals
shall I carry on :dunno:
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Yes, i'll carry on. I'm uglier than the Hunchback of Notre Dame and Fazer makes up for my lack in the looks department, oh how i wish i'd bought a black visor and a hair net! :B

Orrrr poor Joe.

 

[D.S.]

okay...okay apart from the contents of list that you have added...what have the romans ever done for us...

I suppose your right... it is a different bike, it is certainly all that you list and more..

whats this about a BMW then.. I have had thoughts in the past of getting one of those...the new 1200 is a strange angular design... but must say it seems to be growing on me.

marcusfordus:

I used to get around 90- 120 ( if i was lucky)miles from a tak of fuel on the BB, more typically I would say around 100 miles per tank. the fazer around 150 - 170 typically 150 miles per tank of fuel.


So when you wanna go out for a ride then joe.. just hitting the 1000 miles now so engine just loosening up, although it does seem to have this strange lots of bolts in a plastic bucket sort of noise.. and the gears are shite... very notchy cannot get neutral when coming to a stop, bike has to be at standstill before I can get neutral, not like the bird.

explined this on first service but they said this is how the G/B are on fazer thou :dunno:

and tick over around 1500 seems a bit excessive told them about this to, but still the same, when selecting 1st it clonks into gear... I know moan...moan...moan... never happy

You're right of course; it is a totally different bike, a true all rounder, but ya make some interesting comments Tony.

Yam gearboxes are known for being much better than anything Honda has ever offered with only Suzuki boxes being superior. I've have no issues with either the box on the Fazer or the R1 or with any of the Yams I've owned. You are welcome to ride mine anytime and you will see that ya dealer is talking crap. Visit this site http://b26.ezboard.com/ffazerownersfrm17 and post to see if anyone has had similiar issues, but I don't recall anything along the lines you've mentioned.

The tick over is too high. It should sit at about 11-12. It's easy to adjust mate; take a quick look at ya manual :-: .

Yep, I'm after an 1150GS Adventure to use as an all year round work tool , but don't worry the Bling Fazer is staying :bow: .

 

[D.S.]

Rhino says "I'm uglier than the Hunchback of Notre Dame and Fazer makes up for my lack in the looks department, oh how i wish i'd bought a black visor and a hair net"
I say for an ugly geeza I ain't doing too badly :} Even Tamiya are making "limited edition" models of me :f :}

 

[Fat Bert]

Yeah!!

Right Joe Buoy !!!

 

[D.S.]

:B

 

[RHINO]

Right Joe Buoy !!!

ROFLMAO

 

[stan the man]

now that IS funny,bert :}

 

[gypsy]

i bet that tattoo on her legs hurt !

 

[marcusfordus]

Fuel use

Was the Bird the fuel injection ?

I get 150 to a tank on my carb model ( not going slow either ) never ran it dry yet, just filled up a while after the light came on.

Needed a bike to make it from Mansfield to Gt Yarmouth in one hit, quick, without stopping, it fits the job perfect. My fuel injection CBR6 ran out a Norwich with 25 miles to go, so I sold it and bought the Blackbird.

Would be interesting to test a Fazer thou over the same route just to compare.

 

[tony1100]

It was a new 04 injection model, matt black..

Certainly the Fazer thou is much much better on fuel economy.

 

[Jono]

Mine must have a bigger tank, I can get 180 to 200 'tween fills, A roads at speed.

 

[Jaws]

Two things Tony.. Going large ( not that large but 100mph+ ) for extended periods while crossing europe normally gives me about 150 to 160 to fumes,,, taking it easy means around the 200 mark..

If you had an injection bike returning 90 to a tank of gas ( that works out to 20 MPG give or take ) then there was something VERY VERY seriously wrong with the thing..
Even riding around flat out in 3rd would only just produce those kinda figures.

Second thing.. Did your bike have 8K + miles on it ? if not then the engine was still too tight to get decent economy anyways..


And as for a Yam giving better gas miles.. Sorry guys.. Before the Bird I had had a YZF750 r, A 750 rSP, during my Bird ownership I have had at my disposal an R6 and an R1.. Best I ever got out of ANY of the buggers was 37 and that was the R6 being really careful.. The 750R gave me 33 and the rSP 29. The R1 was about the same as the old tech 750's.

So, either:
the Fazer is in a very low state of tune compaired to the above
or
Your talking crap.. sorry guys but you really cannot tell anyone that the bike is more economic and quicker and better all round. Not unless Yam have found a way to warp space / bend time whatever..

So lets stop talking about tank fulls and get down to the nitty gritty..
What does your great all rounder return to the litre ?

And Joe.. when next we meet we must be armed with pads and pens and really do the fors and agins for each bike !

heres a starter for you..
There are VERY few folk who can set up suspension worth a damn.. add that to the fact the suspenders on the fazer are even lower market items than the bird ones and perhaps you would qualify your statement that the suspension is fully adjustable with an advantage ?

Turns in faster Yup

Lighter.. Yup

Better riding position.. sorry that is in the arse of the beholder.. and I for one would disagree vehemently

better lights.. again I disagree

Longer service intervals.. Dunno.. but happy to take your word on it yer honour

Now.. lets take a gander at real world use shall we ..

Yamaha have struggled for years to get the reliability and finish Honda seem to achieve with allacrity..
When you say the Fazer is a true all rounder.. can it ( and be truthful here ) do a 3000 mile round trip two up with full luggage as readily as a Bird ?
And I would like to take like for like here.. I do not mean almost new bikes, but bikes with say 50K plus on them ..

Whilst the Bird has its foibles, these do not include big ends going awol in under 20K miles as is hapening to Fazers and R6's across the land at a worrying and alarming rate
Nor is it absolutely essential to strip and clean the callipers regularly ( although it is advisable to keep a weather eye on them of course ).

Sorry guys, but as much as you wanna try and beat up the Bird and call it names, the end of the story will be the same..
There are few bikes out there that come close to the Bird ( maybe the upper end BMW's ? ) and the Fazer is a very very poor try indeed.

It is an economy bike, that is great fun to ride but is built down to a price.

Sooooo .. over to you two to tear me a new bum !

 

[Zoffo]

Did 420 miles on 3 tank fulls in the first 3 days on my 99 EFI. Most of it was a dash to Squires from Workington in Cumbria. Dual carriage way all the way and 158 on the clock over Bowes Moore:t

 

[Jaws]

Sounds about right to me Zoffo.. In fact spot on mate..

 

[D.S.]

And Joe.. when next we meet we must be armed with pads and pens and really do the fors and agins for each bike !

Sorry mate, but I've owned both bikes so I quess I have a slight advantage over you!!!!

heres a starter for you..
There are VERY few folk who can set up suspension worth a damn.. add that to the fact the suspenders on the fazer are even lower market items than the bird ones and perhaps you would qualify your statement that the suspension is fully adjustable with an advantage ?

Perhaps I'm just fortunate to have the services of an Ohlins Certified Technician at my disposal :dunno: But ya right it is the bike's weakest point, hence my Ohlins rear and front internals.


Turns in faster Yup

Lighter.. Yup

Better riding position.. sorry that is in the arse of the beholder.. and I for one would disagree vehemently

Given I've owned both and covered similiar journeys on both, we'll have to agree to disagree.


better lights.. again I disagree


I refer the honourable gentleman to my above response :}

Longer service intervals.. Dunno.. but happy to take your word on it yer honour

Bird every 4k. Fazer every 6k :dunno:

Now.. lets take a gander at real world use shall we ..

Yamaha have struggled for years to get the reliability and finish Honda seem to achieve with allacrity..

After 20k on my Fazer without any issues I've no complaints :dunno:


When you say the Fazer is a true all rounder.. can it ( and be truthful here ) do a 3000 mile round trip two up with full luggage as readily as a Bird ?

Yep. The day I wanna go hyper-speed across Europe fully loaded is the day I consider another Barge, but I've been more than happy on my trips to France/Spain on the Fazer. If ya reckon the Barge is a true all rounder, you're welcome to follow me down some of the B roads in the UK, some of the D roads in France and some of the C roads in Spain I ride. The Barge struggles, I know, I've tried it. Horse for courses John!

And I would like to take like for like here.. I do not mean almost new bikes, but bikes with say 50K plus on them ..

Guess I'll never know, I never keep a bike that long.

Whilst the Bird has its foibles, these do not include big ends going awol in under 20K miles as is hapening to Fazers and R6's across the land at a worrying and alarming rate.

No reliability issues with the Fazer after 20k John!

Nor is it absolutely essential to strip and clean the callipers regularly ( although it is advisable to keep a weather eye on them of course ).

Err..................neither do I with either the Fazer or R1. Please let's NOT compare the brakes John.....this is truely a non-starter.

Sorry guys, but as much as you wanna try and beat up the Bird and call it names, the end of the story will be the same.

The Barge is the "Best" bike in it's category.

There are few bikes out there that come close to the Bird ( maybe the upper end BMW's ? ) and the Fazer is a very very poor try indeed.

You're entitled to your opinion. Mine is based on ownership of both and if I thought the Fazer was as poor as you state, d'ya honestly think I'd still have it?

It is an economy bike, that is great fun to ride but is built down to a price.

Sooooo .. over to you two to tear me a new bum !

Cheers for the offer Jaws, but I'll stick to the g/f's arse :}

 

[davet]

Joe
Get another Barge you know it make sense they do em with gold bits now :-: