Like a good Conspiracy Theory

[NoBBy]

http://movies26.enwhore.com/loosechange.wmv

 

[Jaws]

Lots of weird theorys have always been around, but this one I am minded to believe...

 

[R2B2]

This IS a hoax of course!

Nitehawk has already told us that everybody has been silenced!!

 

[nitehawk]

This IS a hoax of course!

Nitehawk has already told us that everybody has been silenced!!

Don't think I mean't everybody was silenced !

There were quite a few points raised which I was trying to convey, the video clip does it somewhat more articulately.

Surely after watching that you can't possibly believe all the official bull that was proffered as fact by the Bush administration :dunno:

This is not a hoax, this is not a dream.

Something is seriously wrong with the 911 attacks at least in the context of what we were led to believe.

This video just goes a bit further towards proving it.

I pretty much know your opinion R2B2 - All the stuff contained in this video clip is irrelevant 'cos you don't want to believe it. You have your sources and they tell you not to worry 'cos it's all just conspiracy theory tripe, put across by unethical morons who want to make a bit of cash from the most shocking attacks ever to take place in our lifetime (at least so far).

The last post you did on the other thread was linking to the site which said that the Pentagon was hit by a Boeing because the landing gear was there to see in the rubble etc.. the picture it shows doesn't look like the rest of the Pentagon interior and who's to say that it was or not ? The wheel was double rimmed (as all commercial airliners of this nature require) etc..... No mention the the global hawk has double rimmed wheels too and they look remarkably similar.

All your counter explanations are as flawed as you say the conspiracy theorists data is, it simply holds true in your mind because you need it to.

 

[Deadly Dave]

Never ceases to amaze me how the same people that reject anything mainstream from politicians, media folks and independant experts are quite happy to accept any dodgy doctored evidence hosted by any anonymous wierdo on internet websites as being gospel :dunno: FFS this is the internet, hardly anything is real, anyone can be anyone and anything can be anything just need a copy of photochop and a rudimentary knowledge of editing and way you go lets pump out conspiracy theories till the cows come home there are plenty of gullible folks out there that will jump on our bandwagon and add credibillity to our rediculous claims, look now we have all the attention our poor 'A.D.D' addled brains can handle.

How 'bouts this Conspiracy theory :

The Government and the intelligence community were so blinded by their associations and dealings with certain Countries and individuals and that compounded by incompetance and proffessional rivalries and non co-operation between certain departments led to all living in denial, they made it easy for the Scumbags to strike.

Guess it don't make as good a story as a Government plot though.

 

[nitehawk]

How 'bouts this Conspiracy theory :

The Government and the intelligence community were so blinded by their associations and dealings with certain Countries and individuals and that compounded by incompetance and proffessional rivalries and non co-operation between certain departments led to all living in denial, they made it easy for the Scumbags to strike.

Guess it don't make as good a story as a Government plot though.

Sorry Dave but this wouldn't really explain the some of the key elements that suggest there is more to this than a bunch of pissed off Arabs with box cutters.

The interviews with the firemen are definitely not faked and neither is the report from the journalist on the scene.

Kudos to NoBBy for posting this :bow:

 

[Deadly Dave]

Sorry Dave but this wouldn't really explain the some of the key elements that suggest there is more to this than a bunch of pissed off Arabs with box cutters.

The interviews with the firemen are definitely not faked and neither is the report from the journalist on the scene.

Kudos to NoBBy for posting this :bow:

neither are interviews with 'Alien Abductees' but somehow they just don't seem to get treated with the same credibility, as for the jounalists I'll repeat from my previous post 'Guess it don't make as good a story as a Government plot though.'

Have you ever asked yourself why it is that most of these websites present their 'theories' to rousing soundracks accompanied by a rapid bombardment of emotionly disturbing images and quotes quite often repeated multitudes of times throughout the the duration of the 'message' ? if you haven't you should because sensory overload is a well documented and often used technique to leave your target audience open to suggestion. It has been exploited by religious Zealots, politicians, Dictators, Wizards, Witches, Magicians, Mediums, Media sources and just about every other Snake Oil Salesmen since time immemorial to rouse the mob into their way of thinking.

It's all about emotional impact and when you whip the mob up into an emotional frenzy all clear thinking and objectivity goes out the window, Just ask any Advertising executive. You often see Conspiracy theory devotees accuse non believers of being Close minded when in reality if they stepped back for a fraction of a second and really thought about it they would see how close minded they are themselves.

As One very famous person who was obsessed with finding sexual inuendo with everything remotely Phallic shaped once said 'Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar'

Step back and take a deep breath, just because there is a theory doesn't mean there is a conspiracy.

 

[nitehawk]

'Guess it don't make as good a story as a Government plot though.'

This was a live feed, not a retrospective report with an 'angle' applied.

Have you ever asked yourself why it is that most of these websites present their 'theories' to rousing soundracks accompanied by a rapid bombardment of emotionly disturbing images and quotes quite often repeated multitudes of times throughout the the duration of the 'message' ?

I am aware of this method, it's the same used by the mainstream media to put forth the equally biased 'official' accounts of each and every story.

This isn't really the same as other conspiracy theories in that the evidence is quite overwhelming and the Bush administration combined with the mainstream media have actively taken action to ensure that the full story will never be known This in itself is basis of the entire conspiracy theory and if they wanted to, they could prove the 'official' story by releasing the evidence that they seized. Why do they not do this if there is nothing to hide ?

 

[R2B2]

Lol @ Nitehawk!

I pretty much know your opinion R2B2

LOL! You haven't learned much about me during these threads have you? I've already said I don't do knee jerk opinions, but I guess you speed read over that or simply do not remember.

Surely after watching that you can't possibly believe all the official bull...
This video just goes a bit further towards proving it.

Oh dear, PRECISELY the opposite actually, lol. I've now watched the video a good few times. Sorry Nitehawk, but it simply doesn't support your theory at all. You have been sucked into this even further because you want to believe in it no matter what you see..... or, more importantly in this case, what you DIDN'T see. It could've been put together by Kermit and Fozzy - you would have believed it! Why? Because you haven't taken the blinkers off yet! What makes me think that? Because you have a selective memory and this video has made a bit of a fool of you. Why? Because you were busy absorbing the narration and you just didn't spot the HUGE visual flaws that are contrary to some of your own explanations in the other thread!

I'll explain. Let me refer you to one of your major beliefs in the other thread, namely the one where you emphatically insist the towers were brought down by a controlled demolition. You have banged it into us that they must have used explosives because the towers came down so uniformly and straight. Now I don't think any of us need to be an expert (we've all repeatedly seen demolitions on the tv) to know that this uniformity comes from precise positioning of explosive charges at key load bearing points, ie, central columns, corner and facade columns etc. Take out the support right across the building simultaneously and it'll come down straight. Now examine the video again. You can see that the stack is coming down quite straight despite the stupid claims that explosions can be seen.... rather weak explosions, without any explosive flash, from SINGULAR, RANDOM locations. Logic and common sense (not opinion!) tell me there is nothing in those pathetic puffs that would demolish a building squarely no matter how much you try to believe it would!! Real demolition explosions in random locations like that would encourage the building to fall off square. If you look at the bigger picture there are probably several explanations, but the most likely common sense answer to be that of dusty, smokey air being forced out of broken windows or fractured walls due to the rapid descent of the stack. The more you look at the video, the more you can see it......... they simply ain't explosions mate!

You have your sources

I have the same sources as you do, it just that I look at what's available without preconditions, and "see" things you don't want too.

The last post you did on the other thread was linking to the site which said that the Pentagon was hit by a Boeing because the landing gear was there to see in the rubble

Whoa, hang on a minute!!!! There was a LOT of other Boeing specific debris there. This is clearly shown in the same picture sets that have been used by the propaganda sites. Surely you cannot refuse to acknowledge this any longer.......

A wheel similar to a Global Hawk doesn't make it a Global Hawk, while a mountain of debris from a Boeing says enough really. What about the green and yellow primer? The Blue seats? The Aux power engine? The generator damaged by the Boeings engine? and other evidence which the propaganda sites refuse to acknowledge? These are not opinions.

No mention the the global hawk

Most significantly, no mention of it from the eyewitnesses who DID see a Boeing though!. You must must agree, a Global Hawk looks VERY different to a 757? How would you explain all those named eyewitnesses mistaking a small GH for a huge Boeing? Are they all mistaken? :dunno:

All your counter explanations are as flawed as you say the conspiracy theorists data is, it simply holds true in your mind because you need it to.

LOL! You see, that is the underlying misconception that you have made about me throughout this debate. I don't need it to be at all, I'm open minded on this. I just look at everything we've seen on all these sites carefully, added in a measure of logic, common sense, and probability and then see what emerges. If you did the same you would see what I see! You DO have an incredibly closed mind and this propaganda/conspiracy site stuff is aimed directly at people like yourself because they know they can reel such folk in. I could post the most outrageous and stretched story in this forum and there will be a percentage of people who could give you a completely different analogy than most of the others. If I was after propagating a particular belief I would, to a greater or lesser degree, achieve it.

Example: The camera tripod shaking? Why did it have to be an explosion? A variety of happenings could make a camera tripod shake, least od all someone knocking into it. That's just an example, not an opinion!

Those firemen and so on might appear to be heavyweight evidence for the conspiracy sites but it's easy to see the videotape has been tampered with - you can see and hear the joins.

How many times have we all described something "like a bomb going off" or "like and explosion". People will instinctively call a variety of loud noises "explosions". A bit of swift editing trickery - and there you have it, a very powerful propaganda tool.

 

[DB on CBR1100XX]

Rob,

.........I think you bit there!! LOL

As an old Edinburgh Dental Professor once said:

"If it looks like a Duck and sounds like a Duck, chances are, it ain't a Bird of Paradise" - A/c flying into buildings seen by thousands of people are exactly that ! Period !

 

[Wolfie]

i saw superman flying in a film once so is he real????

 

[Duck n Dive]

i saw superman flying in a film once so is he real????

Yep, and so is the tooth fairy & the easter bunny.

 

[frenchuk]

Pentagone, simple: release all the CCTV footage confiscated by the men in black - if you don't release it, you've got something to hide. the only pic released has the wrong date on it, FFS!!!

Twin towers: well nobody addressed my last post re. the protuberance under the fuselage. Oh, and the fact that one of the terrorist's passport was found in the debris. Oh, and the fact that the flying instructions AND the Koran were found inside the car used by the alleged terrorists, although a fundamentalist muslim would never separate himself from his Koran, especially if they were about to 'martyr' himself.

 

[Duck n Dive]

Pentagone, simple: release all the CCTV footage confiscated by the men in black - if you don't release it, you've got something to hide. the only pic released has the wrong date on it, FFS!!!

Twin towers: well nobody addressed my last post re. the protuberance under the fuselage. Oh, and the fact that one of the terrorist's passport was found in the debris. Oh, and the fact that the flying instructions AND the Koran were found inside the car used by the alleged terrorists, although a fundamentalist muslim would never separate himself from his Koran, especially if they were about to 'martyr' himself.

Piccie with wrong date.......... that was dumb of them wasn't it... proves they're hiding somehting and just didn't use a camera with the wrong date set..... I know I've done that before.. (the date I meant).

Bit's sticking out of planes - that's been discussed but you didn't like waht was said. You got you;re opinion I've got my knowledge.... I'm happy with that.

Passport - so far even the U.S. doesn't require folks on internal flights to carry passports.

Flying instructions.... well they're hardly actually going to be reading 'em where they were going eh??

As for the Koran..... boy that's blown it. Must be a conspiracy and not just a mistake or a spare copy etc.

Frenchy, personally 'd love it to be some sort of conspiracy and not just a series of stupid blunders and ineffective U.S. security. But I'm afraid that having worked in aviation for the last 28 years or so I can tell you that prior to 9/11 U.S. aviation security was a complete joke (that's even after lockerbie).

If you really want to find a conspiracy I'd sugggest looking at anyhting that happened or was released around that time or in the aftermath. With everyone so tied up with 9/11 conspiracys what a great time to slip one through?

 

[R2B2]

Pierre....... notwithstanding all the other evidence, there are a lot of named eyewitnesses who actually saw the boeing fly over the highway and into the building. Does it matter about the cctv tapes with evidence of that strength in the public domain :dunno: :dunno:

Wrong date? I've got loads of different pictures on my computer with incorrect dates on them. My camera has mostly got the wrong date set!

Koran? Perhaps he left it for someone else :dunno:

There is always more than one explanation available.



(Edit: Just found I typed at the same time as D & D)

 

[nitehawk]

On a totally unrelated subject - strange all the same

Marvin Bush

Wasn't carried by most mainstream media in the US apparently

 

[frenchuk]

Duck N Dive, wrong - no one addressed my posts 77 and 78 in the other thread. OK wrong date might be a mistake in the camera setup... but why release a VERY fuzzy pic when they could release CCTV footage from Pentagone, petrol station, hotel... Witnesses? Believe me Rob, you can find as many witnesses as you want for them to say whatever you want when you have the means to persuade them, so those witnesses count for nothing - release footage, all done, next. But if one hides something, it's because one doesn't want others to see it - I think we can at least all agree on that. So why hide something that would clear any allegations? Why?
Koran: no, they left it in the car they used - not a done thing when you're a strict muslim, so no.
Passport was discovered IN the debris and said to have identified one of the terrorists, who was supposedly carrying WITH him in the plane. It didn't burn, amazing eh?
flying instructions: why carry them in the car then? A bit convenient, oh they were flying instructions and the koran in the car used by terrorists, bad bad arabs - plot thought by a retard, even a bad crime writer would have come up with something better!
Too enormous? Very very weak argument - I refer you to Northwoods...
You might say I'm paranoid and when you see what the governments are up to and capable of I'd say not be paranoid is being blind - and I might say that you're naive. Different perspectives I guess.
Duck N Dive which are you implying at the end of your post?

 

[R2B2]

Witnesses? Believe me Rob, you can find as many witnesses as you want for them to say whatever you want when you have the means to persuade them, so those witnesses count for nothing

Nah - not a chance Pierre. It's too much like Nitehawks "everyone's been silenced" claim. Not with the general public anyway.... too James Bond'ish, you'd never keep it together.

You know the public can't keep a secret. "Pssst - don't tell anyone I told you, but....."

 

[Wolfie]

rob did you know that hitler died in 1958, not 1945????

 

[R2B2]

No - I had no idea :dunno: But I've a feelin you're gunna tell me about it :}