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In the News LGBT, etc. tolerance

Lee337

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Interesting thread. One of my friends is gay & married about a year ago. She and her wife often attend Gay pride events in her home town (on the south coast) and to be honest, I couldn't give a monkeys about her sexual orientation. She doesn't push it and aside from the odd parade is no different to me than before she came out. One of my nieces is also gay and in a stable relationship. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

But what does annoy me is my friends (very vocal) opinion on food and why we should all become vegans. That's an agenda I find far more distasteful and somewhat disturbing than sexual orientation.
 

Jaws

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I do not have an issue with any group of people.. I do however have a serious problem with any one who wants special treatment or constantly rams their views in my face.. Be it political, religious or sexual

Stepping aside from other issues, I long since came to the conclusion that like so many hard core activists, in all sorts of things, the LGBT hard liners are their own worst enemy
 

derek kelly

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It's fine to have an opinion. However, when that opinion discriminates against others for what they are - not what they 'choose to be' - then it is best kept to oneself.

everyone has different tolerance levels and everyone has in-built discrimination in one form or another, whether it is conscious or unconscious.

To use the LGBT theme in this thread - plenty see it as a 'choice' and dare I say it even 'an illness'. Fortunately the vast majority accept it as being something natural, and that tolerance is increasing with each generation. Many feel uncomfortable with it and maybe that's fair enough as human nature is that we shy away from what isn't familiar and maybe what we don't understand.

The great way of putting LGBT into perspective is 'how would you react if your son/daughter 'came out''? Yes there are some who would be horrified and throw them out but most would get over it and continue to love and support their child.

I used to get really hacked off - even slightly offended- when I had to go through the tortuous process of doing a 'diversity check' when I had completed the annual pay and bonuses round at work. But, sadly, I could understand why it was necessary.

Paedophiles are attracted to children, would you keep your opinions on those to yourself?
What people do behind closed doors is their business but please do not try to tell me that homosexuality is natural .
All the pc babble you have used is typical of the brainwashed indoctrinate pushed out by public service managers throughout the Country.
How can it be right that someone who has studied & worked hard gets overlooked in favour of a less qualified but gay person?
The World has gone crazy.
 

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Paedophiles are attracted to children, would you keep your opinions on those to yourself?
What people do behind closed doors is their business but please do not try to tell me that homosexuality is natural .
All the pc babble you have used is typical of the brainwashed indoctrinate pushed out by public service managers throughout the Country.
How can it be right that someone who has studied & worked hard gets overlooked in favour of a less qualified but gay person?
The World has gone crazy.
Derek, you are twisting this and you know it.

I think my measured response is...'whatever'.

:p
 

derek kelly

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Derek, you are twisting this and you know it.

I think my measured response is...'whatever'.

:p
How am I twisting it? I only gave you an instance of where an opinion against somebody for what they are & not what they choose to be is acceptable.
 

Cougar377

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At the hospital my wife works at they've splashed out on rainbow NHS badges and are "encouraging" staff to buy and wear them at work.
In retaliation she's now wearing an "I stand with Soldier F" badge (along side her poppy badge). Both are worn in support of others who are perceived to be unfairly persecuted, so there should be no problem with her doing so. We'll see.

The same hospital tried to discipline a nurse for wearing a cross on a chain around her neck.
 

ScottyUK

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I work for a company that provides market data to financial companies and telecomms services. We're in the middle of a push for inclusiveness etc. Our datacentre behind our building already had some very arty paint work on it but now we've got some more colour.

There's so many rainbows already in Shoreditch you need to do it big to be noticed!
 

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andyBeaker

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How am I twisting it? I only gave you an instance of where an opinion against somebody for what they are & not what they choose to be is acceptable.
The subject is LGBT Derek.

LGBT is not illegal.

Paedophilia is.
 

Jaws

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As a matter of interest, do you think the same truck would have been in the news if it had 'not every one is gay' or similar ?

Might do, as the owner might well get done for a hate crime
 

noobie

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Part of this is the tail wagging the dog.

If you look at the recent events of islam versus education in Birmingham that includes same sex relationships. It's two specialist groups who demand equality on one hand whilst demanding their equality is more equal than everyone else

When it comes to tails, I favour Trumps dictat on lgbt flags on U.S. enbassy's , the U.S. flag only and no lgbt flag. Simply because if you put up lgbt flags then someone is bound to say, why then not another flag or another or another. Better still to treat everyone fairly and say these are the rules and they apply equally to every one.

Diversity in the workplace is little more than affirmative action which actually promotes sexual, racial and religious discrimination. The driving line should not be "we are a diverse employer" but should be "we employ the best people we can and value all of our employees no matter who or what they are"

Since social media however, image seems more important than content.
 

Lee337

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A few years ago I challenged a decision made by one of my managers when a job was offered to a gay man over a straight one. I was on the interview panel & (mistakenly) assumed that, in accordance with my employers policy if two candidates came out with the same score, had the same experience & skills, i.e. there was no way to distinguish which of the two was the better candidate, then the LGBT, candidate was to be offered the job as minority groups were less represented. This went for all minority groups in what was then called positive discrimination.

Not a bit of it. the Gay candidate was given the job, even though he wasn't the best candidate because he was and I quote 'more likely to make an issue of his status if he didn't get the job'.

I'm all for equality but can cite numerous examples of where members of minority groups have used this to their advantage within my organisation, and each time management have back down as they didn't want to be seen as discriminatory.

And, having been the subject of a grievance complaint more than once, I now feel it's no longer my place to voice such opinions. I'm all for fair & reasonable in the way I interact with people but some people take the piss. It's this I object to.
 

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A few years ago I challenged a decision made by one of my managers when a job was offered to a gay man over a straight one. I was on the interview panel & (mistakenly) assumed that, in accordance with my employers policy if two candidates came out with the same score, had the same experience & skills, i.e. there was no way to distinguish which of the two was the better candidate, then the LGBT, candidate was to be offered the job as minority groups were less represented. This went for all minority groups in what was then called positive discrimination.

Not a bit of it. the Gay candidate was given the job, even though he wasn't the best candidate because he was and I quote 'more likely to make an issue of his status if he didn't get the job'.

I'm all for equality but can cite numerous examples of where members of minority groups have used this to their advantage within my organisation, and each time management have back down as they didn't want to be seen as discriminatory.

And, having been the subject of a grievance complaint more than once, I now feel it's no longer my place to voice such opinions. I'm all for fair & reasonable in the way I interact with people but some people take the piss. It's this I object to.
The organisation's arse needs kicking.

It is that lily livered approach that causes rather than solves problems.

For what it's worth, I was only accused of discrimination once, a lady accused me of sexual discrimination. It really was ridiculous but caused me a lot of grief....but when they realised that both I and the organisation (it was me not her that escalated it) was going to take the accusation seriously apparently 'it was all a misunderstanding'.

Some people are just stupid, regardless of sex, race, colour, sexual orientation, whatever. Playing the discrimination card when it simply isn't a consideration weakens the cause of any individual or group that is genuinely discriminated against.
 

Malone

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As a white, retired, married (40 years last month), heterosexual, biker I’m increasingly feeling like a ethnic minority - and I don’t think anybody gives a toss about our feelings any more :teeth:
 

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As a white, retired, married (40 years last month), heterosexual, biker I’m increasingly feeling like a ethnic minority - and I don’t think anybody gives a toss about our feelings any more :teeth:
I think the word 'biker' is the issue you have.

:D
 

Lee337

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The organisation's arse needs kicking.

That's the modern civil service for you. Fortunately, they're making me redundant soon as I live in the wrong place. Going to take the money & run when it's offered.
 

Pow-Lo

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I don’t give a toss about anyone’s race, creed, colour, religion, sexual preference, gender or political orientation until they try to use it as a weapon. Those mo-fos can go fuck themselves.

I do take issue with vegans though because their actions and demands are wiping out our bee population. Dickheads.
 
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ianrobbo1

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I couldn't care less about peoples sexual orientation, as long as it is not rammed down my throat!! :)
 
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