Is the bird past it???

[derek kelly]

Wouldn't it be boring if every bike on the road was a BB....specially if they were all blue :}

 

[dhekalia]

I have to say I am new to the Bird experiance, about a month?

I have ridden lots of bikes and for me the Bird does everything I need,
SWMBO finds the Bird very comfy, better than the ZZR and the VFR, but not as comfy as the Trophey, and that is also important, tried taking her out on a mates ninja, she was off in 5 min's so the pillion factor would take out most, if not all sports bikes in the all round factor, I would go so far as to say touring with full luggage would also hinder sports bikes against the bird. Having said that, I would love a pure sports in the garage for FUN, to go along with my old '70s Kwakas
Just my thoughts.
Cheers Marc

 

[Wolfie]

Almost all of us in this thread say we love the bird because we don't believe there is a better all round alternative, and most of us read the mags and have ridden loadsa bikes just like you. You say there are better 'all-rounders' but hardly anyone agrees with you ..... isn't it a simple case of the majority being correct m8y (especially such an overwhelming majority!)

No because they can not admit that the bike they have is not the best.

Personnel choice and beliefs i am all full them, but you can not argue with facts and figures!!

The only fact that the bird has is that is good, BUT is not the best at any one thing, and if model fgcfzxr beats it on 3 points out of 5 then fgcfzxr is the better all rounder.

comfort
speed
brake
handling
build quanity

are the points. the bird does not win all of them, in fact it does not win any of them except speed against the list i posted, where as 3-4 of the other bikes beat the bird so therefore they must be better all rounders.

Just because the bird has the best engine against that list it does not make it the best all rounder.

Yes you are all happy with the bird (otherwise you would not have one) for whatever reason, but step back from it and compare facts and figures and you will then see that it is past it.

 

[MickB]

You're a stirring git Wolfie. Anyway it can't be past it as it's never been with it :-: . When it was introduced it was only the BEST in top speed, others beat it in the other categories, exactly what you're saying now.

 

[Wolfie]

zzr1100 worst handling, worst brakes, worst top speed the bird was king then for about 2 years then whooossshhhh the other caught up and went past.

 

[paulh]

Wolfie you do keep gettin me goat but i swear this is my last word on this subject (honest :} )

.......i know you know it ain't all about figures Wolfie ...... loadsa things are quicker or better braking or faster handling or whatever.......but it's the union of all the various apsects of a bikes performance that matters i.e. how they all blend together and how IT FEELS :-:

And even if a bike is better (on paper) in more than one area than the bird; it still doesn't mean it is better overall - what if one of the apsects where it is worse makes the bike totally uncomfortable or suitable only for people who 'only' race or 'only' tour........

Now come on now behave yourself and stop annoying us decent folk

 

[gypsy]

why do i get the feeling your BIRDS broken Woolfie ?

 

[HeavensFire]

Hey Wolfie.........

Go on, go on go on go on go on, go on go on go on, go on, go on!........................Go on, go on go on go on, go on!..........
'Tis better than buying a book, or reading a paper!........Go on!

 

[Wolfie]

.......i know you know it ain't all about figures Wolfie ...... loadsa things are quicker or better braking or faster handling or whatever.......but it's the union of all the various apsects of a bikes performance that matters i.e. how they all blend together and how IT FEELS

yes it is how it feels but if a bike has better handling, better brakes, better comfort, worst top speed by 30-40mph(like most of the list) then it is going to feel a better bike by the nature of having more betters.

or are you trying say that xyz has better brakes, comfort, handling but it aint as good as the bird cause it only does 155mph or something like that???

And even if a bike is better (on paper) in more than one area than the bird; it still doesn't mean it is better overall - what if one of the apsects where it is worse makes the bike totally uncomfortable or suitable only for people who 'only' race or 'only' tour........

if xyz is only suited to race or touring then it is NOT an all rounder which the bikes above ARE. if xyz has more better values then of course it is the better bike, the onlt reason that would not apply is if the top speed was 30mph, or it handled like a harley, or was as comfortable as sitting on a barbed wire fence, etc etc , then again xyz would not be an all rounder!! becasue it can not do brakes, handle etc etc.


Edd, no mate you are wrong not broken at all, just past it.

 

[ianrobbo1]

were can I buy one of those xyz`s, they dont sound too bad,!!! :bow: anyone got any experiance riding one??

 

[Wolfie]

xyz is anyone of the list above available at most motorcycle dealer shops, or private sales, trying search ing the MCN website for starters.

 

[bajjer9]

I read this entire post and wanted to chime in my opinion...hopefully you all wont mind too terribly...

Anyway I can't say that I have ridden a lot of bikes...in fact not more than five in my life total. So I cant really give my opinion in a comparisonn between the xx and any of those bikes...I keep seeing folks giving their opinions on the BB then wolfie says something about facts...in fact there are no facts here just wolfie saying BB is not the best, which, in that context, is his opinion.

Whenever I see someone write bike A is better than bike B I expect to see hard evidence of such...NOT it has more power because it feels that way to me...that is just an opinion...Lets see some hard factual data!

One thing he does say that only a few have picked up on is that if bike A scores more points in several categories than bike B then bike A is a better all arounder....this is true

By the way, I love this bike and its very likely to be the last model I will own singlely (sp?)...I may add to my garage but there will always be a bird in it if I have anything to say about it!

 

[gypsy]

you fell out of love with it have you ?
what do you fancy changing it for ?

 

[derek kelly]

were can I buy one of those xyz`s, they dont sound too bad,!!! :bow: anyone got any experiance riding one??

Is it like an MZ Etz250

 

[Wolfie]

bajjer9, chip in as much as you like, i believe in freedom of speech!!

the facts are in the mags, honda own spec sheet as well, grab a review of the blackbird which gives the facts and then compare other bikes , is dead easy.

example
bird has 164bhp at crank,
busa has around 160bhp at back wheel
standard bird has 129bhp-132bhp on back wheel
standard triumph 955i has 128-130bhp at back wheel wheel on roughly a 200cc smaller engine.

the facts are out there.

you fell out of love with it have you ?

no, it is like a wife, but is not like the younger girlfriend.

what do you fancy changing it for ?

Dont have the money so nothing. If i did have the money then the list above would be the bikes that i would at plus blade and R1 and gxsr1000, would think that would just about cover it, sorry would NOT bother with the vfr cause i dont like them.

One thing he does say that only a few have picked up on is that if bike A scores more points in several categories than bike B then bike A is a better all arounder....this is true

thank you, and as i said above that most of the list i put above will beat the bird on more than they will lose, they are therefore better all rounders.

 

[bajjer9]

the facts are in the mags, honda own spec sheet as well, grab a review of the blackbird which gives the facts and then compare other bikes , is dead easy.

the facts are out there.

yes but since you started the thread shouldnt you be the one to supply the "facts"? I dont need them, I have read a lot of them and to be honest they had absolutely nothing to do with why I bought my XX...in fact the only reason that was important to me at the time was ergonomics and I still bought the bird without having ever sat on one, it appealed to me that much...However that is my opinion and not a fact :beer:

 

[Wolfie]

i saw 10 birds in a shop sat on my mine and said i will have this one please. But beforehand i read as many reviews as i could. That was nearly 4 years ago, and bikes have changed a lot since then. Thus knocking the blackbird further down the ladder.

 

[stan the man]

bajjer9, chip in as much as you like, i believe in freedom of speech!!

the facts are in the mags, honda own spec sheet as well, grab a review of the blackbird which gives the facts and then compare other bikes , is dead easy.

example
bird has 164bhp at crank,
busa has around 160bhp at back wheel
standard bird has 129bhp-132bhp on back wheel
standard triumph 955i has 128-130bhp at back wheel wheel on roughly a 200cc smaller engine.

the facts are out there.


no, it is like a wife, but is not like the younger girlfriend.

Dont have the money so nothing. If i did have the money then the list above would be the bikes that i would at plus blade and R1 and gxsr1000, would think that would just about cover it, sorry would NOT bother with the vfr cause i dont like them.




thank you, and as i said above that most of the list i put above will beat the bird on more than they will lose, they are therefore better all rounders.

wolfie mate
as you stated,the 955i is 200cc less than the bird,but this is also true of the bird/eye abuser,almost,so being a "newer" bike,you would expect it to be more powerful.

surely the wife is more experienced than the younger girlfriend,so able to give you a "better ride" :}

but seriously,there probably are better bikes/all rounders out there,if there weren't,it wouldn't be good for all the "other manufacturers".
mr honda does indeed need to shake his arse if he's gonna be competetive in the sports tourer category,or face losing sales to the others.
personally,i love my bird and does everything i ask of it and more,is far more capable than i am or will probably ever be.i find myself agreeing with lumpy re earlier post on all points re fuel,tyres,servicing(blu does all mine :bow: )insurance could always be cheaper...YES,don't find it particularly uncomfortable(ride-outs average 150-200 miles)but maybe that doesn't qualify for a long journey :dunno: .
all in all,i may at sometime in the future part company with the bird for another,but until that day arrives.......................



just my 2p worth

 

[Punchy]

surely the wife is more experienced than the younger girlfriend,so able to give you a "better ride"

Yes but one is like getting on the same No9 bus into Manchester every morning and the other like getting a lift in a sports car to Ardwick Green

:lick: :lick:

 

[Wolfie]

but seriously,there probably are better bikes/all rounders out there,if there weren't,it wouldn't be good for all the "other manufacturers".
mr honda does indeed need to shake his arse if he's gonna be competetive in the sports tourer category,or face losing sales to the others.
personally,i love my bird and does everything i ask of it and more,is far more capable than i am or will probably ever be QUOTE]

thank you stan. there are better all rounders, honda does need to shake its arse, the bird is more capable than i ever will be as well,

BUT if there was a bike with better handling, brakes etc etc etc that was also as forgiven as the bird then it would stand to reason that our capabilities would increase because the bike has given us the confidence to do so would it not???

ah but if the wife is doing the motion and the girlfriend in takena risky quicky then the ride is better is it not?????