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Pow-Lo

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.....that the ridiculous ban on the sale of new diesel and petrol engined cars has been pushed back to 2035. Apparently, the PM did it back in September, when I was away.

Best news I've heard this year!
 

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Apparently the government targets for fast charging points at motorway services has been missed by a Mike, with three on M roads still to install any charging stations at all.

lack of infrastructure remains the only reason why i haven’t got an EV.
 

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It was only a few months ago that silly man Dominic Raab said that there's no way the time for the beginning of the sale on new ICE cars would be put back. Pretty dumb claim when not enough public chargers are being fitted and there are so many homes where it is not possible to fit them. I can see it going back again.

Also, part of the problem is that the wiring of the national grid is not man enough to cope with the power required for the super-fast chargers.

Better off making cars with engines powered by zero-emission fuels, which a number of companies are working on. Apparently it's too expensive at the moment, but it's coming along.*


*someone much cleverer than me will need to expand on this.
 

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It was only a few months ago that silly man Dominic Raab said that there's no way the time for the beginning of the sale on new ICE cars would be put back. Pretty dumb claim when not enough public chargers are being fitted and there are so many homes where it is not possible to fit them. I can see it going back again.

Also, part of the problem is that the wiring of the national grid is not man enough to cope with the power required for the super-fast chargers.

Better off making cars with engines powered by zero-emission fuels, which a number of companies are working on. Apparently it's too expensive at the moment, but it's coming along.*


*someone much cleverer than me will need to expand on this.
I am sure the industry will be delighted to hear your thoughts on how to resolve the issues they are struggling with. :thumbup:

In the meantime I am still wondering why you dragged a dead slug down your arm.
 
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My grandson went to Anfield last night in his father's i4. Which I do quite like. Or did. Its a tad over 200 miles from here but due to the pissing rain and having the air con running to demist it the car only made it with 20 miles to spare.

The issue was that when they pulled into the first services on the M6 to recharge so did everybody else. Took 2 hours to get on a charger to put in a 40 minute charge to get them home.

My mighty diesel will go 600 miles without refuelling so I would have been home with my feet up before they even got out of the services.

Explain to me how it makes sense because I can't see it.
 

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My grandson went to Anfield last night in his father's i4. Which I do quite like. Or did. Its a tad over 200 miles from here but due to the pissing rain and having the air con running to demist it the car only made it with 20 miles to spare.

The issue was that when they pulled into the first services on the M6 to recharge so did everybody else. Took 2 hours to get on a charger to put in a 40 minute charge to get them home.

My mighty diesel will go 600 miles without refuelling so I would have been home with my feet up before they even got out of the services.

Explain to me how it makes sense because I can't see it.
Two points here.

The first being, obviously, diesels are the spawn of the devil.

The second, less obviously, is the efficiency of ICE v EV. A proper petrol engine only converts on average between 20% and 25% into ‘power’ used to propel the vehicle - the rest is used to generate heat and noise. Diesels are (annoyingly) slightly more efficient at between 23% and 28% despite sounding like dustbin lids being banged together.. EVs are over 90% efficient, something that is overlooked when the luddites bang on about the impact of producing electricity.

In a nutshell EVs are far more efficient in converting ’fuel’ into motion.p, even when looking at how much fuel is used at source ie power stations..

There is no getting away from the fact that the charging network is nowhere near fit for purpose at present.

There is also no getting away from the fact that we have to get away from using fossil fuels one way or another.
 

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It is all a big con, electric vehicles is an impossible fantasy, if they had the technology to make vehicles cover the same distance as petrol & diesel cars they wouldn’t because the mugs that have been panicked into buying them are obviously happy forking out exorbitant electricity prices every 200 miles,
I recall as a child seeing on the news that the World would run out of electricity within 30 years.
We are lied to daily & people swallow these lies.
 

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It is all a big con, electric vehicles is an impossible fantasy, if they had the technology to make vehicles cover the same distance as petrol & diesel cars they wouldn’t because the mugs that have been panicked into buying them are obviously happy forking out exorbitant electricity prices every 200 miles,
I recall as a child seeing on the news that the World would run out of electricity within 30 years.
We are lied to daily & people swallow these lies.
If we could justify two cars the second would 100% be a small EV for the short journeys we take which is probably 90% of the total.

Are you suggesting that the ‘refuelling’ cost of an EV is higher than ICE? If so….think again!
 

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Two points here.

The first being, obviously, diesels are the spawn of the devil.

The second, less obviously, is the efficiency of ICE v EV. A proper petrol engine only converts on average between 20% and 25% into ‘power’ used to propel the vehicle - the rest is used to generate heat and noise. Diesels are (annoyingly) slightly more efficient at between 23% and 28% despite sounding like dustbin lids being banged together.. EVs are over 90% efficient, something that is overlooked when the luddites bang on about the impact of producing electricity.

In a nutshell EVs are far more efficient in converting ’fuel’ into motion.p, even when looking at how much fuel is used at source ie power stations..

There is no getting away from the fact that the charging network is nowhere near fit for purpose at present.

There is also no getting away from the fact that we have to get away from using fossil fuels one way or another.
All very valid points. But they were still stuck on a shitty motorway service station for nearly 3 hours. Couldn't even run the heated seats because the battery was in danger of going completely flat and those bastards are heavy if you have to push it to the charging point.

It's barbaric and I will glady keep my mighty diesels because the longest I have ever spent in a motorway services is 10 minutes. And that was too long.
 

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If we could justify two cars the second would 100% be a small EV for the short journeys we take which is probably 90% of the total.

Are you suggesting that the ‘refuelling’ cost of an EV is higher than ICE? If so….think again!
The cost of batteries for ev’s is measured in child labour
How much does it cost to safely dispose of these self combusting batteries?
Electricity is already through the roof, if the Government get their way & get all the sheep to drive electric which way do you think the price of electricity is going to go?
They say they are doing it for the eco system, that’s bollocks, it is all an elaborate con preying on the social conscious.
 

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The second, less obviously, is the efficiency of ICE v EV. A proper petrol engine only converts on average between 20% and 25% into ‘power’ used to propel the vehicle - the rest is used to generate heat and noise. Diesels are (annoyingly) slightly more efficient at between 23% and 28% despite sounding like dustbin lids being banged together.. EVs are over 90% efficient, something that is overlooked when the luddites bang on about the impact of producing electricity.

By your logic then every soldier should have his own tank.
Far more efficient than a 2.5ft long pop gun.Ditch the rifle and guarantee a kill every time.

It covers the roles of....infantry personal weapon, sniper rifle, mortar, field gun, battlefield taxi, bivvy bag and poncho, bergen, body armour...
It's faster than walking, weather proof, dry, warm, it's got facilities to make a brew or cook yer scoff and it'll carry more kit than any squaddie..... plus there's plenty of places to kip and wet kit will actually dry in reasonable time. Think about it.... no more trying to dry wet socks under yer jacket.

And.... you can park where you like.



There are just a few minor issues that this super efficient option shares with EVs....

1.It's expensive to buy
2.It's expensive to maintain
3. Major range limits without support
4. The support infrastructure is expensive and hugely varied in availability
5. If they catch fire nobody is your friend
6.If they breakdown everyone takes the piss.
 

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All very valid points. But they were still stuck on a shitty motorway service station for nearly 3 hours. Couldn't even run the heated seats because the battery was in danger of going completely flat and those bastards are heavy if you have to push it to the charging point.

It's barbaric and I will glady keep my mighty diesels because the longest I have ever spent in a motorway services is 10 minutes. And that was too long.
What happens to EV owners if they overstay the alloted free time at service stations.?

Do they get stung for parking.?
 

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EVs might be efficient at point of use, but is producing electricity efficient???
Anybody mentioned turbine life cycle.

Saw somewhere about recycling blades.
They are huge, saw some on the ground a while ago.
 

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Two points here.

The first being, obviously, diesels are the spawn of the devil.

The second, less obviously, is the efficiency of ICE v EV. A proper petrol engine only converts on average between 20% and 25% into ‘power’ used to propel the vehicle - the rest is used to generate heat and noise. Diesels are (annoyingly) slightly more efficient at between 23% and 28% despite sounding like dustbin lids being banged together.. EVs are over 90% efficient, something that is overlooked when the luddites bang on about the impact of producing electricity.

In a nutshell EVs are far more efficient in converting ’fuel’ into motion.p, even when looking at how much fuel is used at source ie power stations..

There is no getting away from the fact that the charging network is nowhere near fit for purpose at present.

There is also no getting away from the fact that we have to get away from using fossil fuels one way or another.


Oh dear, there you go again, confusing the issue with facts:)
 

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By your logic then every soldier should have his own tank.
Far more efficient than a 2.5ft long pop gun.Ditch the rifle and guarantee a kill every time.

It covers the roles of....infantry personal weapon, sniper rifle, mortar, field gun, battlefield taxi, bivvy bag and poncho, bergen, body armour...
It's faster than walking, weather proof, dry, warm, it's got facilities to make a brew or cook yer scoff and it'll carry more kit than any squaddie..... plus there's plenty of places to kip and wet kit will actually dry in reasonable time. Think about it.... no more trying to dry wet socks under yer jacket.

And.... you can park where you like.


Seems like a winner to me :)
 

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Take a base tesla etc and a petrol or diesel car of similar spec and look at the prices, which is more expensive?
Then look at which costs more in environmental terms to produce
Next have a look at what each costs in terms of recycling
After that look at durability of each along with running costs

Add it all together and multiply by 15 years for each vehicle and that will show you which is more environmentally friendly, there is no point in just saying ev's dont cost the environment if you base it purely on the emissions you need to look at the whole thing from the hole in the ground to the end of its life to the point it is recycled
 
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