DBee: Okay, where do we start. Like any right minded person, the murder of Lee Wrigsby, pedophilia, terrorism and any other violent crime against innocent defenceless people is against my principles.
But here's where I get hacked off with this kind of thread. The people that are responsible for these crimes are criminal, whether they are Christians, Jews Muslim or Hindu. The fact that Rolf Harris, jimmy Saville and Stuart Hall are Christians is not commented on, they are simply pedophiles. So why would we refer to the religion of another group of pedophiles just because they are Muslims.
They?re tagged as Muslims because that?s how they identify themselves ? as private individuals and also as members of the wider community.
DBee: Tonight's news and tomorrow's newspapers will be full of another pedophile ring, Cyril Smith, yet still his religion will not be mentioned.
He was a politician ? that was how he identified himself; professionally, and also as a member of the wider community. Others you?ve mentioned were entertainers - can you see a pattern developing here?
DBee: Most of my life I've wondered how the German nation allowed the Nazi's to come to power. I can now see how the drip, drip, drip of negative propaganda of a group of people, can set a reasonable nation against them.
?Drip, drip, drip?! You?re talking about nation-wide, cradle-to-grave, state-sponsored propaganda (which carries a little more weight than an open biker forum, wouldn?t you say?).
Any type of violence committed against a fellow human being, be it verbal, physical or psychological is what creates negative views of the perpetrator; whether a soldier fighting in foreign lands, or an extremist committing murder in the homeland ? and remember - these definitions relate directly to circumstance.
DBee: There is another side to Islam which is rarely spoken of in the western media. It's kind and giving, generous to every man, woman or child, regardless of status, religion or nationality.
Yes: the silent majority; the decent people who share their humanity in accordance with the positive tenets of their faith. Your main concern seems to be that these decent, hard-working people could be tarred with the same brush as the Muslim extremists ? well ? that is not my belief. However, as in all sectors of ?society?, the Muslim population is infested by a minority of criminals (who identify themselves as Muslims) who are generally perceived as being hell-bent on imposing their will upon the population at large ? and they?re not the first.
We?ve had the Nazis; the blackshirts; the national front; the bnp; the english national defence league ? the list goes on and on. We?ve admitted to their existence without accepting their vile doctrines. You must understand that the first step towards eradicating ?evil? is acknowledging its existence. The next step is to ensure that it is justly removed.
DBee: So if you want to speak about criminals lets do that, but if you want to speak about the religion of criminals then we are all on very dodgy ground.
You won?t solve a problem (in this case, criminal behaviour) without forensically identifying and categorising the exhibitor - nor will you solve it by ignoring its existence.
Incidentally ? I don?t believe a single word you?ve written offers an honest explanation of your beliefs. Your whole argument here is based on suspect data:
DBee: Amazing how 91% of those that are grooming young boys are grey, pale and male, they only make up 20% of the population. Or is that being rascist?
Can you validae this claim? If you can, I'll apologise without reservation and continue the debate.
If not, I must ask for some clarification.
Which are you ? a na?ve fool ? a Troll ? a liar ? or all three?
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