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You'll Hate this Election

Minkey

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it looks like we will have an election on 12th December, just when people are thinking about the season of goodwill we have to listen to all that nonsense :(
 

Jaws

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I fully intend to spoil my ballot paper.
The politicians have shown what a worthless bunch of money grabbing tossers they are
I have voted every time a vote was called for ( In my case age 20 ) but I refuse to carry the farce they present as democracy any further.
It makes NO difference who you vote for, their only interest is their own back pocket
 

Pow-Lo

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What’s the point of an election? Whoever wins, some twat will contest it and demand another one. Democracy dies in this country with the Brexit referendum. Spoiling the ballot paper is a great idea however, I doubt it’ll do any good as no one will read it.
 

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What’s the point of an election? Whoever wins, some twat will contest it and demand another one. Democracy dies in this country with the Brexit referendum. Spoiling the ballot paper is a great idea however, I doubt it’ll do any good as no one will read it.

Having got involved in poll clerking, verification and counting to have a good look at politics now I'm back in Norn Irn I can assure you peeps will be looking at "interesting" spoiled votes. :D
 

andyBeaker

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Spoiling ballot papers is a waste of a vote and achieves absolutely nothing.

Just stay at home instead :p
 

ianrobbo1

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I shall be voting for the independent or any twonk against staying in the EU :(
 

Cougar377

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I think this'll be the last time I vote. I've got more respect for Hardley Worthit owners than politicians. :mad:
 

Jaws

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Spoiling ballot papers is a waste of a vote and achieves absolutely nothing.

Just stay at home instead :p
A vote is a wasted vote.
The ONLY option is a spoilt card as that at least demonstrates that I actually bothered to turn out but felt there was no candidate worth voting for

Simply staying at home is not an option
 

Pow-Lo

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Spoiling ballot papers is a waste of a vote and achieves absolutely nothing.

Just stay at home instead :p
Staying at home is meaningless. How does that get get one’s point across? The system has no clue why a voter doesn’t turn out; it could be for a number of reasons, ranging from ‘can’t be arsed’, ‘died half an hour ago’, ‘the candidates are a bunch of twats’, ‘I disagree with this vote’ and so forth.

Spoiling a ballot paper sends a clear message, whether you agree or not, Andrew. My only concern is whether any of the phuqwits who are allegedly ‘running’ our country would ever receive, or indeed take heed of, such a message.
 

andyBeaker

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Staying at home is meaningless. How does that get get one’s point across? The system has no clue why a voter doesn’t turn out; it could be for a number of reasons, ranging from ‘can’t be arsed’, ‘died half an hour ago’, ‘the candidates are a bunch of twats’, ‘I disagree with this vote’ and so forth.

Spoiling a ballot paper sends a clear message, whether you agree or not, Andrew. My only concern is whether any of the phuqwits who are allegedly ‘running’ our country would ever receive, or indeed take heed of, such a message.


The point is simply there are defined choices.

If someone doesn’t like the defined choices then they have the same right as anyone else to do something about it.

How can spoiling a ballot paper get a message across? What is the message and, importantly, who is it to??

It’s a bit like a lot of the people that I used to work with - very quick to criticise but very slow to come up with anything constructive.

Unfortunately it is a very common human behaviour.
 

Cougar377

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The point is simply there are defined choices.

If someone doesn’t like the defined choices then they have the same right as anyone else to do something about it.

How can spoiling a ballot paper get a message across? What is the message and, importantly, who is it to??

It’s a bit like a lot of the people that I used to work with - very quick to criticise but very slow to come up with anything constructive.

Unfortunately it is a very common human behaviour.

Equally, I've had conversations with people who moan about the state of politics and then go on to admit that they haven't voted in ages. They're the ones that piss me off.

I mentioned about the effect of spoiling your ballot paper to make a point in another thread some time back in the summer. More spoilt votes were made during the last election (was it local, EU...? I can't recall) than have ever been recorded before. It made national headlines on TV, radio and in the papers.

When did staying at home and not voting at all EVER have the same effect...?
 

Minkey

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Having watched the coverage live from the House of commons I'm amazed at how few MP's are actually present at one time even for the important debates
 

andyBeaker

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Look at the ‘spoilt paper’ issue another way..

BAllot result

Spoiled papers. 13,529
Party A. 5
Party B. 4

Who do you think gets elected?

What has been achieved?

Spoiled ballet voters potentially moaning that the last thing they wanted was Party A being elected.

Any spoiled vote is a wasted vote. At least use it to try and make sure whoever you don’t want elected doesn’t win.
 

andyBeaker

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I notice some disagrees with my posts which is fine.

I am genuinely interested to hear what tangible effect spoiling a ballot paper will have.

Genuinely!!
 

andyBeaker

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Equally, I've had conversations with people who moan about the state of politics and then go on to admit that they haven't voted in ages. They're the ones that piss me off.

I mentioned about the effect of spoiling your ballot paper to make a point in another thread some time back in the summer. More spoilt votes were made during the last election (was it local, EU...? I can't recall) than have ever been recorded before. It made national headlines on TV, radio and in the papers.

When did staying at home and not voting at all EVER have the same effect...?
But surely it had bigger all effect.

Please tell me otherwise if I am missing something.
 

johnboy

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Look at the ‘spoilt paper’ issue another way..

BAllot result

Spoiled papers. 13,529
Party A. 5
Party B. 4

Who do you think gets elected?

What has been achieved?

Spoiled ballet voters potentially moaning that the last thing they wanted was Party A being elected.

Any spoiled vote is a wasted vote. At least use it to try and make sure whoever you don’t want elected doesn’t win.

What if all the parties are a shower of shit and none of them deserve your vote?
Hey here's a thing, apply for a postal vote, wipe your arse with the ballot paper in the comfort of your own home thereby not getting arrested at the polling station, one very spoiled ballot, simples.
 

Jaws

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Please tell me otherwise if I am missing something.
It makes no difference who wins the election as far as I am concerned
None of them truly represent the people, they represent either themselves or the party line
Until MPs accept that there and may thousands of people who are unhappy with the situation nothing will change
There is no option on a ballot paper to express the discontent as such... The only way to demonstrate such message on a ballot paper is to make it useless to all parties
By voting for any single party you are giving them the mandate to carry on as they are
 
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