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Does Data weigh anything?

Samster

chamon motherf*cker
If I have a formatted 1GB memory card, and then fill it with data, would the memory card weigh everso slightly more than when it was formatted?

Any ideas?

When I was at school we had a machine that weigh a scrap of paper, then you could write on the paper and the machine would show the weight of the ink you'd added.............. would one of these mass spectrometer things would be able to measure any change?

Does data weigh anything?

:rolleyes: :h
 
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R2B2

Guest
Interesting!

What is data? I mean, we know it is binary code, but what actually is it?

If it's just electrical energy then I guess it doesn't have any mass so therefore weighs nothing :dunno:

Gravity can only act on physical mass. Is that right?
 

ianrobbo1

good looking AND modest
there aint no gravity,!! the Earth sucks!! :rolleyes:
I reckon it would weigh the same as the electron particals would already be there just "moved" into different positions!! :dunno:
IF it weighed anything at all!! :dunno:
 

Wolfie

Is a lunp
ianrobbo1 said:
there aint no gravity,!! the Earth sucks!! :rolleyes:
I reckon it would weigh the same as the electron particals would already be there just "moved" into different positions!! :dunno:
IF it weighed anything at all!! :dunno:


feck :bang: :bang: i agree with her
 

Samster

chamon motherf*cker
What about when you burn a DVD-R?

I reckon the DVD-R weighs LESS when it's up to capacity than when it's brand new and 'blank'.
 
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R2B2

Guest
What about when you fart? :eek:

I reckon you weigh more after you have farted cos fart gas is warm, and after you eject it, it rises. So when it's still inside you, it provides a small amount of lift. Loose that lift and you weigh a bit more!
 

Wolfie

Is a lunp
ok

take a shit 7lbs it weighs,

but you have only lost 2lbs why?????

the above is true, i know it is.
 
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R2B2

Guest
Wlofie

7 lbs!! (nearly said holy shit, but that's more than feckin holy!!)

That must've been some stodgy pudding that!

Christmas time was it?
 

Duck n Dive

Rebel without a clue ...
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Of couse he does.

He's around six feet tall and made of bits of plastic and metal. He must weigh something.

Geordie Le Forge will know!
 

Wolfie

Is a lunp
R2B2 said:
7 lbs!! (nearly said holy shit, but that's more than feckin holy!!)

That must've been some stodgy pudding that!

Christmas time was it?

was not me some victorain bloke sat in a weighing mechine for 3 months i think, weighed himself whilst asleep extra extra


i am a saver rob.


save until i have to go, twice a week fill the pan. :yo: :yo: :bow: :bow: just never let me take a shit in your house :lol: :lol:
 
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Nige J

Guest
Strange bloody question if you ask me, but unfortunately got me thinking.

Data is basically stored as binary code ("1" or "0"). The best way to describe a binary digit would be as an electronic switch (either "on" or "off"). As the relative state of something has no effect on its mass (and therefore weight), in answer to your question.......

No !!!!!!


BTW. You would weigh less after you fart (a fart comprises mainly of methane gas, which is heavier than air)


***
 

Samster

chamon motherf*cker
OK so I'm not adding mass - just ever so slightly moving it around within the flash memory - makes sense.

I read that the mass of an electron is: 9.10938 x 10-31 kg (the -31 in superscript)

Electons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic........ :rolleyes:

I realise that the question was strange, but I'd been thinking about it for a while so decided to provoke thought in others!
 

Wolfie

Is a lunp
I realise that the question was strange, but I'd been thinking about it for a while so decided to provoke thought in others!


yer be buying a camper soon as well :eek: :eek: :eek: :} :}
 
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R2B2

Guest
Wolfie said:
just never let me take a shit in your house :lol: :lol:
I would be honoured to have you choke the golden carrot in my place anytime you want mate.......... :bow:
 
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BlackBirdBaz

Guest
If you were to ask the question of a Quantum Physicist, you'd get a very different answer from that got from anyone who thinks they understand computers...



Clearly data has weight - consider the number of statisticians who ask you to "consider the weight of data" when proposing their own spin on matters ...



Joking aside, I understand Sam's question in the following manner:

Given that a single data bit is essentially the sum of electron spins in the different ('doped') semi-conductor substrates implemented as multiple back-to-back NAND gates in a micro-chip; and given that the zero-or-one-ness of that data bit is based on the imbalance in numbers of electrons in each part of that circuit; how likely is it that the number of electrons required to hold it in the one-state differs from that number required to hold it in the zero-state?



[Recall that electrons have weight. It may be 1/1300+ the weight of a proton, which in turn is 1/(avogadro's number) of a gramme - which makes it absolutely miniscule - but it still weighs something]



Now, if we consider the manufacturing process of memory chips, such an imbalance in one bit will be down to different doping levels in the substrates - which will affect a whole region of bits in the same manner. So it becomes reasonable to ask - on the quantum scale - would the memory stick weigh fractionally more after the data is loaded.



Sam - the answer depends on the individual memory chip, on whether the formatted state is all-ones; all-zeroes; or 50-50 balance between zeroes and ones; AND on the nature of the data being stored.



For your particular memory stick - whether it weights more, less, or about the same, is difficult to ascertain to any degree of accuracy... Why not ask a quantum physicist to 'weigh' it before and after and find out. And please keep us 'posted'!

Hows that ??

Baz
 
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Nige J

Guest
BlackBirdBaz said:
If you were to ask the question of a Quantum Physicist, you'd get a very different answer from that got from anyone who thinks they understand computers...



Clearly data has weight - consider the number of statisticians who ask you to "consider the weight of data" when proposing their own spin on matters ...



Joking aside, I understand Sam's question in the following manner:

Given that a single data bit is essentially the sum of electron spins in the different ('doped') semi-conductor substrates implemented as multiple back-to-back NAND gates in a micro-chip; and given that the zero-or-one-ness of that data bit is based on the imbalance in numbers of electrons in each part of that circuit; how likely is it that the number of electrons required to hold it in the one-state differs from that number required to hold it in the zero-state?



[Recall that electrons have weight. It may be 1/1300+ the weight of a proton, which in turn is 1/(avogadro's number) of a gramme - which makes it absolutely miniscule - but it still weighs something]



Now, if we consider the manufacturing process of memory chips, such an imbalance in one bit will be down to different doping levels in the substrates - which will affect a whole region of bits in the same manner. So it becomes reasonable to ask - on the quantum scale - would the memory stick weigh fractionally more after the data is loaded.



Sam - the answer depends on the individual memory chip, on whether the formatted state is all-ones; all-zeroes; or 50-50 balance between zeroes and ones; AND on the nature of the data being stored.



For your particular memory stick - whether it weights more, less, or about the same, is difficult to ascertain to any degree of accuracy... Why not ask a quantum physicist to 'weigh' it before and after and find out. And please keep us 'posted'!

Hows that ??

Baz



JEEEEESSUUUUUSS !!!!!!




:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
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mikew

Guest
Nige J said:
BTW. You would weigh less after you fart (a fart comprises mainly of methane gas, which is heavier than air)


:t methane is lighter than air, otherwise all our gas detectors would be on the floor.

As it happens, they are ALL mounted on the ceilings of our gas (I work for Transco) compressor units. Also that's why if you report a gas leak, when bod arrives, he pokes his sniffer probe into the ceiling areas of your house.

Propane on the other hand, such as camping gas, IS heavier than air, but if you're farting that, then I recommend you see a non-smoking doctor asap!

mike
 

Centaur

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Avogadros?

What the fook's it got to do with pears.....clearly talking a load of bollox! :}
 
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