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Up by the inlfation rate then ??
stan the man
you are not capable
fooking greedy wankers
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NoBBy
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Just got my Gas bill through. this year used just about the same as the previous year, however putting the monthly standing order up by 35% and we are in credit. Looks like we are movin to another supplier
People should just move feck em.
People should just move feck em.
Hate to defend them but....
They have had to pay nearly 60% more in the last year to the suppliers so the blame should go to the racketeering bastids who own the supplies. There has beeen a scam operating in Europe (where else?) which stifled competition among the suppliers to the UK. Our last few governments, Tory and Labour, have squandered the money we saved by having North Sea gas and oil. Norway have put a large percentage of their North Sea revenue in a ringfenced pot and have multi billions to help ease the costs when the North Sea wells run out. We've spent the money in Iraq, Afghanistan and god knows where else?
They have had to pay nearly 60% more in the last year to the suppliers so the blame should go to the racketeering bastids who own the supplies. There has beeen a scam operating in Europe (where else?) which stifled competition among the suppliers to the UK. Our last few governments, Tory and Labour, have squandered the money we saved by having North Sea gas and oil. Norway have put a large percentage of their North Sea revenue in a ringfenced pot and have multi billions to help ease the costs when the North Sea wells run out. We've spent the money in Iraq, Afghanistan and god knows where else?
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mikew
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Actually, it's more like 25% and more to come, but as Centaur said, it isn't BG putting the prices up by themselves, they are doing what any business has to do when faced with rising prices, however caused, of the materials that they supply.
Switching to another supplier will not in anyway prevent the rise of your bills, simply because where do you think these "other" suppliers get their supplies from?
Yup, same place as BG.
The only additional costs that BG have over these other suppliers, and this cost is NOT passed on to you consumers, is that we provide 24/7 emergency cover for all gas escapes. Also, how many of these other suppliers actually deliver their gas to you through their own infrastructure of pipes etc?
None.
So whilst BG may appear to be a touch higher in overall costs, we are the ones who actually do deliver the stuff to your boilers and cookers. And we maintain the system, provide all the emergency covers etc etc, none of which the other suppliers are required to do.
IF we shutdown the BG network, how the fook do you think your gas would then be delivered to your household? in plastic containers via the postman?
LPG, sounds like a good idea? not if you live a block of flats it don't! where you gonna put your tank, and more importantly, how you gonna top it up?
Lets' face it, apart from not paying your bills, when was the last time you turned on your boiler or cooker and found there was no gas there?
Industry morale, on the transmission side in particular is low, and hearing peeps bleat about the costs involved in keeping warm just pisses us off, cos we work a lot of hours to make sure you don't go cold.
Actually, it's more like 25% and more to come, but as Centaur said, it isn't BG putting the prices up by themselves, they are doing what any business has to do when faced with rising prices, however caused, of the materials that they supply.
Switching to another supplier will not in anyway prevent the rise of your bills, simply because where do you think these "other" suppliers get their supplies from?
Yup, same place as BG.
The only additional costs that BG have over these other suppliers, and this cost is NOT passed on to you consumers, is that we provide 24/7 emergency cover for all gas escapes. Also, how many of these other suppliers actually deliver their gas to you through their own infrastructure of pipes etc?
None.
So whilst BG may appear to be a touch higher in overall costs, we are the ones who actually do deliver the stuff to your boilers and cookers. And we maintain the system, provide all the emergency covers etc etc, none of which the other suppliers are required to do.
IF we shutdown the BG network, how the fook do you think your gas would then be delivered to your household? in plastic containers via the postman?
LPG, sounds like a good idea? not if you live a block of flats it don't! where you gonna put your tank, and more importantly, how you gonna top it up?
Lets' face it, apart from not paying your bills, when was the last time you turned on your boiler or cooker and found there was no gas there?
Industry morale, on the transmission side in particular is low, and hearing peeps bleat about the costs involved in keeping warm just pisses us off, cos we work a lot of hours to make sure you don't go cold.
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Aidey
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Yep, lets face it guys, weve all been stitched up by the continentals so they can keep their costs down. You are paying for Mr & Mrs Frog to stay warm and stop them burning the sheep in the streets. Also for the burgeoning costs of the EDF/GDF pension scheme etc.
Sorry you are upset Mike, but I dont think any one has having a go at Transco, only the increase in cost.
I know, lets all go back to coal and have black buildings and smog again.
Bring back the future!
Sorry you are upset Mike, but I dont think any one has having a go at Transco, only the increase in cost.
I know, lets all go back to coal and have black buildings and smog again.
Bring back the future!
marcusfordus
Registered User
erm.....
National Grid Transco (Lattice) distribute the gas throught their pipes. British Gas are just a supplier of Gas and Electricity, and happen to have an engineering workforce that can keep both types of equipment working and using the stuff they sell man8um
National Grid Transco (Lattice) distribute the gas throught their pipes. British Gas are just a supplier of Gas and Electricity, and happen to have an engineering workforce that can keep both types of equipment working and using the stuff they sell man8um
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solorider
Guest
no good for me cos i havnt a chimney,i have gas central heating so im dependant on gas in the winter timeAidey said:
marcusfordus
Registered User
British Gas and Scottish Power
Can provide you with a roof top windturbine that produces up to one third of your electricity, and what you don't use, you can sell it back to them.
Gas running out, came about a bit quicker than anyone thought, and seems to have caught them on the hop.
Can provide you with a roof top windturbine that produces up to one third of your electricity, and what you don't use, you can sell it back to them.
Gas running out, came about a bit quicker than anyone thought, and seems to have caught them on the hop.
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mikew
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marcusfordus said:
To be 100% accurate, the company name for the transportation is now only National Grid, with separate divisons for the gas and electric sides, although the powers that be are integrating the two sides slowly. Lattice died 3 years ago. The engineering force was decimated when the breakup of the British Gas occurred.
True that we transport EVERYONE's gas, regardless of the supplier, and no preference is given to BG customers.
I'm on the gas side (if that wasn't already obvious), and yes BG, (actually, not allowed to use BG in the UK now, has to be British Gas :dunno: ) are effectively just a supplier as are all the rest, but when BG and the old Transco were all one company that provided all the service and infrastructure from platform to boiler, we still used to get the same level of flak directed at us.
The fact that the two functions have separated, i.e. supply and transportation, does not always seem apparent to the folks in the street. Only this morning, whilst in Kimbolton, I was "stopped" by an irate old fart who wanted to let me know just how hard these price rises were gonna effect him and his missus. Like it has got anything to do with the transporation side!
I wouldn't mind, but I was in the company Landrover with "Transco" down the side, and he was in his new "55" regd "S" class Mercedes! Gonna really affect him ain't it.
The point I was trying to make (obviously badly) was that the general public often get on their high horses about this and that, and often tar everyone with the same brush.
BG are putting their prices up, but so will every other gas supplier, just a question of when.
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R2B2
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Centaur said:
I thought we only imported a small proportion of the gas we use, something like 10% :dunno:Aidey said:
20% of our gas comes from the Morecombe field and a huge slice from the North Sea fields doesn't it?
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Aidey
Guest
It may well have been at one time Rob, but not anymore. More and more of our gas is coming through the "interconnector" from Europe where the main European users have first call as it were.
Dont get me wrong, Im not having a go at the French ( I would go and live there if I could) but the European market is not as liberated as ours, and they retain through state monopolies a greater control over their supplies than we do. Then take into account that half of so called British energy supply companies are owned by European companies then its not difficult to see how the market can be rigged. Put it another way, no French household, or any other European country has had to bear the increased costs that we have had to in this country.
Dont get me wrong, Im not having a go at the French ( I would go and live there if I could) but the European market is not as liberated as ours, and they retain through state monopolies a greater control over their supplies than we do. Then take into account that half of so called British energy supply companies are owned by European companies then its not difficult to see how the market can be rigged. Put it another way, no French household, or any other European country has had to bear the increased costs that we have had to in this country.
I believe there is also a small degree of what might be called "fudge" from the gas providers ..... a little like the petrol industry.
In both the suppliers buy their gas (or petrol) and then sell it on to us..... but..... in many cases they buy the gas from annother company (who makes a significant margin) that just happens to be owned by...... the same peeps that own the gas supplier.
Bit like petrol stations saying they only make 0.02 per litre profit... tru for independant but not for the biggies who actually pipeline the stuff out of the ground......
This shortage is not unexpected... and bear in mind that there's a "double whammy" yet to come. Tax income for the UK from the North Sea gas fields has been signifcant for many years...... this will now also be slowing...... so whats going to happen to taxation/Govt. spending??
In both the suppliers buy their gas (or petrol) and then sell it on to us..... but..... in many cases they buy the gas from annother company (who makes a significant margin) that just happens to be owned by...... the same peeps that own the gas supplier.
Bit like petrol stations saying they only make 0.02 per litre profit... tru for independant but not for the biggies who actually pipeline the stuff out of the ground......
This shortage is not unexpected... and bear in mind that there's a "double whammy" yet to come. Tax income for the UK from the North Sea gas fields has been signifcant for many years...... this will now also be slowing...... so whats going to happen to taxation/Govt. spending??
marcusfordus
Registered User
Good turbine
http://www.renewabledevices.com/swift/index.htm
Looked into getting one of these, council planning needed, but generally being relaxed now as they get more common.
Price was for a system was quite good 18 months ago, now the Gas and Electricity boys have started moving in, the prices have gone up ?1500, shame my wages didn't.
http://www.renewabledevices.com/swift/index.htm
Looked into getting one of these, council planning needed, but generally being relaxed now as they get more common.
Price was for a system was quite good 18 months ago, now the Gas and Electricity boys have started moving in, the prices have gone up ?1500, shame my wages didn't.