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AVON'S crap or not

blumeeni

Registered User
lumpy said:
Point one. That's handy cos I defers have severe reservations about what you have learnt in 30 years of riding. Rider skill has a LOT to do with it.

Point 2. Try putting some air in them they run better with it.

Point 3. If they are good enough for a ROSPA instructor they can't be that bad. :lol:
Ahh Lumpy well fook me that must be the problem then no air in the tyres thank you very much for that your an absolute genius m8
:neenaw:
 

Jaws

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blumeeni said:
I will buy them agin but for these reasons

they are cheap
last a long time
are very very good in the dry but are still shit shit shit in the wet
and because I'm lucky in having another bike to use in the wet which will go round wet corners without needing a change of pants.

Sooo, another one who thinks shouting and repeating constitutes a valid argument.. Bet you were a BIG hit with the debating society then ! :lol: :lol: :lol: :} :f

I reiterate.. a persons opinion is valid to that persons point of view.. whereas you find them crap in the wet I find them pretty darned good. I quantify that statement by the following.
I do not find they dance around in the wet, I do find they give me feedback in the wet, I do find them to have more grip in the wet than 020's..
But then I aint shouting or repeating anything, so I spose what I have to say can comfortably be ignored as the pathetic ( quiet ) ravings of a madman ! :blush: man8um
As Nigs more or less said in an earlier post, without scientific evidence supporting one claim over another, all we have to go on is peoples opinions.. An important word that.. Opinion.. Based on nothing more than what we, as individuals think and find.
 

birdinflight

Registered User
As per what jaws has just said

Derek has no problem with them in the wet, no problem with them sliding, however, he is careful with the right hand in the wet................are all of you who are saying they are no good????


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gypsy

MAN on the PAN
ah but you look good in a frock!

not sure if your on the left or the right John?
pehaps we can have a poll?
 

RHINO

Answering to nobody
So

Top & bottom of it is

Some of us do not like their wet weather capabilities..
Some of us do ride frequently in the wet.
Some of us live in inner city areas with poor surfaces..
Some of us are allegedly ROSPA gods who cannot be faulted.
Some of us are too youthfull to have any experience what so ever..
Some of us are at last being honest.
Some of us make progress in wet conditions.

Well, you stick to your Avons and i'll stick to the ones i'm happy with which i KNOW work well for me. :rolleyes:
 

gypsy

MAN on the PAN
RHINO said:
Top & bottom of it is

Some of us do not like their wet weather capabilities..
Some of us do ride frequently in the wet.
Some of us live in inner city areas with poor surfaces..
Some of us are allegedly ROSPA gods who cannot be faulted.
Some of us are too youthfull to have any experience what so ever..
Some of us are at last being honest.
Some of us make progress in wet conditions.

Well, you stick to your Avons and i'll stick to the ones i'm happy with which i KNOW work well for me. :rolleyes:

can i have yours then seeing you dont want them?
and you wouldn't sell anything to someone knowing they were dangerous!
:beer:
 

RHINO

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BERT

Fat Bert said:
To be accurate, this thread is about experience in riding motorcycles - something in which you seem sadly lacking with your tender years

:f :f :f :}

Back this claim up Bert......... why am i lacking experience in my TENDER years as you put it... What experience am i lacking, please explain.

Could it be the 2 rider skills days i missed........mmmmmmmmmm maybe.
Could it be the off roading you took part in...........mmmmmmmm maybe.
Could it be the experience of dropping it on gravel......mmmmmmm maybe.
or could it be the fact i've done over 12,000 miles on the bird this year alone.......mmmmmmmmm NO!

Never ridden in the rain me,,,, ever. :bang:
 
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RHINO

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gypsy said:
can i have yours then seeing you dont want them?
and you wouldn't sell anything to someone knowing they were dangerous!
:beer:

No you can't..............Avon should stick to making lipstick, thats why Bert is backing them :lol:
 

ianrobbo1

good looking AND modest
so!! do I stay with 020s front and back, or do I try the Avons,?? I ask as I cant afford to ditch the Avons if Im not happy with them, and I dont want to ride X amount of miles like a "Bert"/ woose, untill theyre worn out, :dunno:
just thought Id ask, :rolleyes:
 

1200Pete

Registered User
Quite a lively thread this aint it g0551p

I will tell you all a story......

First off, as most of you know, I ride like a complete twat on the road and have been for the last 25 years, I normally try to take the Blackbird (and me) to our absolute limit at some point during my ride.

All my Blackbirds have had an 8mm ride height spacer and stiffer front springs, this allows for a much greater angle of lean. Basically what I am saying is my tyres do get a lot of stick.

I am not a professional racer, nor do I consider myself a riding god, but I do pay a lot of attention to my tyres and I do test them to the limit wet or dry.

Tyres are an extremely passionate point for most bikers and we all know how important a part they are, but most tyres today will do the job and do it more than well enough for most riders. Tyres are mostly psychological if you're not 100% confident with your tyres then you will never be happy with them. Regardless of whether the tyre is good or bad, if you have a bad step out or a twitchy moment and lose confidence in that tyre put something else on, something that you're happy with.

I have been in the fortunate position to try most types of tyre in most road and weather conditions, I have had the added benefit of having a riding partner who also rides to the limit so we could do comparison tests, we have put two identical Blackbirds side by side on a wet road and pulled away time and time again keeping the bikes side by side, it was never the Avon that let go first, the other tyre in this case was a popular tyre that's name begins with a "B"

The last "riders skill training day" I was actually using a pair of Bridgestone 020's that came on the bike I was riding when I bought it, I was having allsorts of problems with them, big rear end step outs, twitchy on the rear, grip fading as they got hot, front end washing out quite badly when it got wet.

Don't get me wrong, this is not to say they are a bad tyre and I do not know how the Avon would have performed in the same circumstances on the same track, what I am trying to say is I have tried most tyres at their extreme limits wet and dry and I would still recommend the Avon ST at this point in time, trust me I can make a lot more money selling Bridgestone's and although I show my bike on the Avon tyres stand I really do not have any loyalty to them and if I thought that their product was in any way iffy or inferior then A, I would not be selling them and B, I definitely would not be riding on them!.

Do not be put off by some of the comments and criticisms that have been posted on this thread and do not be scared to try something new, as far as I am concerned these tyres do not have a wet weather problem. The reason they last so well is they have 6.5mm of tread depth it is nothing to do with compound, in fact they run a virtually identical compound to the AV50 sport tyre, just deeper with more silica. They also run a larger contact patch which along with more grip also constitutes less wear because the tyre is not having to work so hard.

At the end of the day the Bird is a very heavy powerful bike and what ever tyres you use it is never going to feel planted.

Please be careful if you are using 010's on your Blackbird, the sidewalls were never designed to take the weight of the Bird This can be felt under hard acceleration out of long sweeping corners. And there are cases of the tyre de-laminating due to overheating.
 

RHINO

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ianrobbo1 said:
so!! do I stay with 020s front and back, or do I try the Avons,?? I ask as I cant afford to ditch the Avons if Im not happy with them, and I dont want to ride X amount of miles like a "Bert"/ woose, untill theyre worn out, :dunno:
just thought Id ask, :rolleyes:


Ian, if i get a new 010 in the next couple of weeks you can try these Teflons,,sorry,,Avons of mine, theres still 24mm of tread left after 7k ish
 

RHINO

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1200 Pete

I respect your comments fully, however some of us ARE experiencing problems in the wet and this cannot be denied or brushed aside.
I am aware of your experience in the motorcycle world and value your expert opinion on many things, i for one have had assistance from you, but how do you explain the sudden influx of people saying the same thing :dunno: .

I can say that the 010's never once caused me any concern and i pushed that machine to the best of my abilities on several occasions so until i can ride quicker than the 010's will allow me to then that will be my choice.

Thanks for your input Pete. :beer:
 
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D.S.

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I normally try to take the Blackbird (and me) to our absolute limit at some point during my ride.

yes mate, but take my advise and avoid doing that in front of the old bill hey? :}

Ding dong Avon calling :xm
 

blumeeni

Registered User
lumpy said:
Point one. That's handy cos I defers have severe reservations about what you have learnt in 30 years of riding. Rider skill has a LOT to do with it.

Point 2. Try putting some air in them they run better with it.

Point 3. If they are good enough for a ROSPA instructor they can't be that bad. :lol:
So lumpy whats this your on about having severe reservations of my 30 yrs riding experience you TSAR you've never even met me come on down here on your avons one nice wet day and we'll have a good laugh if your up for it $%3un man8um :neenaw:
 
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D.S.

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oh, hear we go

Testosterone time :} .
Lumpy will now reply with some bollox & it'll be bargebirds at dawn next :rolleyes:
Fook it, I'm off to VD. Laters loosers R#?
 
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