Asylum Seeking

[derek kelly]

There appears to be a myth that if you say no to a non English person then you are racist.
employees now are too frightened to pick the person with the best credentials for a position & instead employ someone who may not be capable but is the right skin colour to appease the pc brigade.
The Prison service used to have a policy where if someone failed the entrance exam then they could not apply for another year. however a certain Asian lad applied & failed the exam miserably, they told him to reapply then they gave him lessons in how to pass the exam, he re-sat the exam and [rumour from examiner] he failed to reach the grade, however because he had scored higher than on his previous try they accepted him.
after a short while at his establishment he borrowed a prisoners stamp collection & took it home, when the prisoner asked for it back he said it had been stolen from his car, so the prisoner told him he wanted money for it so the so called officer began sending money in small denominations under an assumed name to the prisoner, not being the sharpest tool in the box he was soon rumbled, suspended, investigated & found guilty, now if it had been anybody else they would have been sacked and probably charged however this person was posted to another prison [Birmingham I believe] where he was later promoted.
If someone is capable of doing a job then by all means let them do it
If someone clearly does not have the aptitude then do not put them in a position where they will be out of their depth regardless of colour of skin.
but do not employ someone just to appease the pc brigade.

 

[gerryc]

So Roxxo, only white people are racists then ??

I've experienced racisim against whites abroad and at home, thing is now that I've experienced it as an incomer taking local jobs as they see it I'm more open minded.
You get a lot of misstrust here and when I first got here I couldn't get used to people staring all the time (serious fight starters in most of the pubs I've been in) but I've realised they are just curious and when acknowleged they usually smile back.
As far as I can see there are the same percentage of ignorant pr1cks no matter what country your in.
I also live in a town in Scotland which is probably now 50% imigrants from England! (comin up here taking our jobs I don't know)g0nn3

 

[Gerrard]

Dover

Fair comment Chunks - it takes allsorts to make a mixed bag. However, go down to Dover and Folkestone (as a couple of examples) if you wanna see the other side of the coin....

Agree with you there Rob...I used to live just out side of Dover thats why I moved to Spain.
But they forgot to tell me about the Morocans....They are just the same....But at least its sunny, eh?... LOLs.
Zippo

 

[Chunky Monkey]

the moral for me is ... pay yer own way in life..stand on yer own feet...treat others as you would wish to be treated....and above all take the piss out bert when awake !!!

 

[roXXo]

So Roxxo, only white people are racists then ??

Not at all osprey.

I was merely pointing out that yet again all asylum seekers seem to get tarred with the same brush.

It seems to me that a large proportion of the population use the term "asylum seeker" in a prejudiced and sometimes racist way and this is perpetuated by the tabloid press and those who jump onto the WASP and other bandwagons.

I was surprised to find that even some of my work colleagues hold prejudiced and racist views.

It's strange though, that on a one to one relationship they are fine. We have some workers of asian and african origin and there is no problem. Even those that rant on and use the nastiest language about "immigrants" wouldn't say a bad word about their work colleagues.
Funny that. They don't see them in the same way.

There is a guy on our shift who moved up from Kent 8 years ago after being made redundant from the RAF. Because his name sounds Indian, which it isn't he found that job aplications were ignored or dismissed. He reapplied using his wife's maiden name and had far greater success. He then changed his and his family's name to his wife's maiden name.
I know there have been numerous similar cases reported in the press over the years.

I am not so stupid/ignorant as to believe that no none whites are racist. The full force of the law should be applied equally no matter where the prejudice comes from.

My father suffered prejudice when he first came here to North East Lincolnshire. He found it very difficult to get even a labouring job. The locals accused him of taking their jobs. He lived with his brother's family until he could get established. When he was courting my mam, her grandmother would not stay in the same room as him.
Even in the 60's when I was a lad, we had a couple of German and Italian families that still had a few problems from certain quarters.

Regarding PC shite. That's just what it is shite.

Your right of course Derek, jobs should be awarded on merit.
I cannot be doing with quotas either. There shouldn't have to be a certain number from this background and a certain number from another. Nothing wrong of course with attracting folk from different backgrounds but not quotas and artificial shenanigans.

 

[Duck n Dive]

Having started the thread off I'll pop back in at this stage if I may....


I am a little concerned that the term assylum seems to be linked by many folks automatically with "immigrants/immigration/racial groups".

In my understanding the terms means "refuge or sanctury - a shelter from danger".

In this context and when applied to people leaving one country for annother it has a very definate and limited meaning, this is also clearly defined in International Law and UN Conventions etc.
These same sources seem to also say that under these laws/conventions it is expected/required(?) that someone seeking assylum must do so at the earliest oppurtunity and in the first "safe" country in which they arrive.

That meaning is in line with what I understand Assylum to mean....

My original question came about 'cause I came across something on the BBC web site which I quoted.

I was curious as I thought about how I might act if I felt the pressing need to leave the UK if I really thought I was in danger. I concluded I would want to find somewhere "safe" I could get to as quickly as possible. If there was a choice of such places I would select one where the language and culture was close to what I was used to.

That left me wondering why the highest number of such refugees seem to come from cultures so very different??

In some cases you might say that former colonial links could influence a decision, but again that doesn't stack up when you look at the list does it??

So really, why does someone from places so physically far from the Uk and so culturally different from western cultures in general make this the place where thye claim assylum?? (please note I'm not referring here to "economic migrants").

:dunno:

 

[derek kelly]

If human nature was to take the best from each culture and adopt it along with their own then we would all get along, however the nature of the beast is to look for scams and how to make easy money, & when people flee their own country and take handouts in our country our own natives feel aggrieved. as I have stated before genuine asylum seekers are just grateful to be away from the tyranny and fear of their own country, however the majority of so called asylum seekers I have come across are too arrogant to have been oppressed.

 

[gerryc]

DnD I think Asylum and migrant workers have become very blurred and due to this return to my earlier point that no one should automatically come from another country and recieve benefits i.e. house, money access to NATIONAL health service, until they have paid into the system.
Until asylum seekers find employment they should not recieve anything but a bed and food at the reception facilities.
Wonder how many would continue to flee in so called terror accross europe to get to britain then.

 

[Mac166]

The problem with this country is there are too many members of the pink and fluffy pillow birgade who are so blinkered on Human rights they cannot see they are being butt fu***d.

I agree that everyone is entitled to help if they need it but there are limits. We have 'lost' about 500,000 failed asylum seekers in this country who should have been deported as their reason for being here was bollocks. If the regiem they are fleeing is so bad then a few weeks in a detention centre whilst their claims are being investigated are not a problem, are they? if the claim is genuine then allow them passage into the country and offer help BUT if they are bull shitting then the next plane home.

The next thing is that if you choose to go to a foreign country to live then you should accept that countries rules and laws in full. If you don't like the lwas then go somewhere else. In this country we will change the law to foreign nationals.

Organisations such as unions are set up in work places to assist workers rights. They are multi cultural and work for everyone in that employment so why do we allow such organisations as the 'Black police officers federation' or 'Black solicitors association'. I bet there would be an uproar if you set up the 'White police officers Federation' as it would be seen to be racist.

If a group of white's attack a member of a ethnic minority it is usually described as a racist attack but if it is vis sersa it never gets reported as such.

In essence I am trying to say if you are genuine then great you can add cultural diversity and experiance to our society but this is our way of life and you need to accept it as such. If you are trying to get here just to get free handouts and want to change our laws etc to your way of thinking then go home.

 

[derek kelly]

One of our prisoners [rapist] a so called [Albanian] asylum seeker has just been moved to another prison prior to deportation, his words when asked what he will do when he is sent back to Albania "I think I will give Italy a try next" he has also stated that he will get another passport & return to Britain at some stage.

 

[roXXo]

One of our prisoners [rapist] a so called [Albanian] asylum seeker has just been moved to another prison prior to deportation, his words when asked what he will do when he is sent back to Albania "I think I will give Italy a try next" he has also stated that he will get another passport & return to Britain at some stage.

That's criminals for you!