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In the News A Step Closer to Justice for Harry Dunn

T.C

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Ok..We all know you was in the force..I take my hat off too you..Really.
but...What is the fookin point with this type of what seems to be a very lenient punishmet in the first place?

Me being Ex Job has bugger all to do with what goes on before and after the investigation and enforcement work has been done, the penalties and punishments are decided by other area of the judiciary, and as has been said many times before the penalties do not fit the crimes/offences and the courts themselves (not the Police) are way out of touch as far as being hard on offenders are concerned (Too many liberals and human rights activists)

Whether the driver has regrets and even admitted regrets has no bearing. Remember, the fact that a lad died is immaterial in terms of how the case is investigated other than a full forensic scene examination.

If the driver did express remorse, then it may come out at the inquest but don't hold your breath.

I've seen similar "procedures" enacted while at Greenham Common. I remember one officer being "reassigned" back to the US after pulling out of the base in his Yank tank right into the path of a bike. The rider lived, but as the saying goes... life changing injuries.

The base commander had a slush fund to help smooth ruffled feathers in the local community. Usually that was to pay for stupid stuff like dodgy driving incidents, etc.

I lost count of the number of crashes I dealt with at Greenham, especially during the "Peace Camp" (that was a good earner (y) ;) ) and how the offending military got dealt with also depended on who was the commanding officer at the time.

There were a couple over the years who were insistent that the soldier/airman should face UK justice whilst others asd you say would quietly and quickly arrange for repatriation.

Surprisingly we always had a good relationship with Greenham, especially those of us on Traffic despite the fact that we spent more time there booking and arresting their drivers than anything else.
 

Pow-Lo

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When Harry's parents went to meet Mr Trump, Mrs Sacoolas was reportedly in a nearby room in the White House and they refused to meet her. Obviously, I'm relying on the media here and I have no clue if this is correct or not but I'll assume that it is. Anyhoo, I'm not sure that they did themselves too many favours by refusing to meet her. Had they done so, I can only assume (again) that the intention was for her to apologise. No amount of apologies in the world would bring Harry back but it might have gone some way to smoothing the waters for the acceptance of a future payout from the US government, which is the likely conclusion here.

If Mrs Sacoolas has absolutely anything about herself, especially as a mother herself, she should at least man up and apologise to Harry's parents. As I've said, it won't bring him back but a genuine apology might help to ease the burden on Harry's family.
 

Minkey

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She should come back and answer to the court.

As an aside, there has been several near misses on the road near the base recenctly even though there's signs everywhere and road markings saying which side of the road to drive on!
 

DEG5Y

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Am I right in my belief that, while on camp, the Americans treat it like a little America?
And does this also include which side of the road they drive on?

If my belief is right then every time they leave camp then they would have to 'remember' to change sides on the road!
 

Malone

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And that would include having to remember to think autonomously as well - I don’t know that they do joined up thinking all that well.
 

T.C

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Am I right in my belief that, while on camp, the Americans treat it like a little America?
And does this also include which side of the road they drive on?

No because they have to make allowances for external deliveries and visitors by British nationals who are not going to change to the opposite side of the road.

I can only speak from my years of going to RAF Greenham Common (USAF base) and having done courses at USAF Bentwaters that they apply the same drive on the left rules as on the road, bearing in mind that the bases are simply leased from the UK
 

Cougar377

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Standard USAF policy has been for years to adopt whatever the rules are for the country where the base is, to help personnel acclimatise to local driving conditions when they leave the base.
Greenham used to have a designated area with various roads, junctions, signs and markings which they could practice and be assessed on before they could drive off base.
 

Cougar377

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Am I right in my belief that, while on camp, the Americans treat it like a little America?
Although the USAF will have you believe that their bases are American soil, in reality they are leased RAF bases so they are still technically subject to UK law, in the same way that any UK Armed Forces base in Britain is.
In reality it's usually at the base commanders discretion whether he deals with incidents "in house" or leaves it to UK police. If it's serious then he'll defer to local/national police, but often if it's a relatively minor issue (much like with UK Forces) then the local police are happy to leave it to the base to handle.
They know that the punishments are usually more severe that way..!
 
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