7 BHP Increase by changing the Oil

[Rob Morris]

agree with the sound advice given by jaws and all the other items raised including you use of icons :f k1ap :bow: etc.

Also feel that B/Bird will be fine on Semi and that Fully is not really required for 99.9% of riders, but I can't feel easy with the general comment that "FULLY should NOT be used".................. :dunno:

Knowing that Honda are clever and that Fully was around when the Bird was designed, then I would have thought that they would have edited the Handbook to state "NOT TO USE FULLY" as they do for the use additives such as Slick 50. :dunno: After all why bothering to add a comment about additives but miss out the one about Fully?

As I said I'm happy to go with the thought that the bikes are more than happy with Semi, but it's the lack of proof about the statement that Fully must not be used that gets me?

If I could get proof then I would change ASAP, but if Semi is okay and Honda are not taking sides then whats wrong with Fully if it comes cheaper than the semi...........? Especially if like me you ride down to the south of France in the heat and want to be sure of the protection being offered when fully of luggage, in high temps and ridding hard?

 

[R2B2]

Ok....

Please, please, PLEASE use FULLY SYNTH in your bike. It's the only way you are going to relax about it!

What puzzles me is why did you ask?

Let us know the outcome later?

 

[Rob Morris]

The only reason I asked is that everytime there a mention of oil the big debate starts all over again...............!

I have read just about every debate, but have never found cast iron proof of Honda's claim.

Therefore I hoped that by addint to the thread I would actually find the proof.

I would gladly love to use cheeper Semi and totally agree that Birds seem to run fine on the stuff, but it's seems that the Fully is not allowed to be an option depending on people preferences, which if proven that it shouldn't be used is a major concern...........!

I know the easy answer is to use thecheaper Semi and sod all the questions, but I'm one of those sad gits that likes to see things in black and white.

Thanks good thread.

 

[Jaws]

Being realistic, there are few people who keep a bike long enough to find out the long term effect..
Those that do ( the ones who are well documented as having owned their bikes for .5 million miles plus ) have all used semi or dino oil from the start..

Personally I dont give a stuff what folk use to be honest
The more breakdowns occur the richer the likes of me and Pete get LOL ! !

 

[Jaws]

The only reason I asked is that everytime there a mention of oil the big debate starts all over again...............!

I have read just about every debate, but have never found cast iron proof of Honda's claim.

Therefore I hoped that by addint to the thread I would actually find the proof.

I would gladly love to use cheeper Semi and totally agree that Birds seem to run fine on the stuff, but it's seems that the Fully is not allowed to be an option depending on people preferences, which if proven that it shouldn't be used is a major concern...........!

I know the easy answer is to use thecheaper Semi and sod all the questions, but I'm one of those sad gits that likes to see things in black and white.

Thanks good thread.

Ahh, just read this.. Sorry missed it before..

Ok, pop along to Honda and spend a few grand on doing all the mechanics courses, open an agency and then you will get the tech sheets sent to you.. You can then ask for a reprint of the ones issued in 1998 ( cos I am buggered if I can remember what month or issue it was ) for a tenner you will have it in black and white.. there.. simple

 

[R2B2]

I think Jaws said it came through to the trade from Honda in the form of a service schedule update?

Just bear in mind too that many people, including tourers no doubt, run their Birds on mineral oil. Even that is well within the minimum required spec as specified by Honda.

Ask Wolfie - he's run his Bird for years on mineral.

I'm outta here...... R#?

 

[R2B2]

Ahh

The old fella was typing at the same time as me!

 

[Jaws]

I seem to be very good at that Rob ! LOL !!

Its a male bonding thing I think :}

 

[Duck n Dive]

For what it's worth I can tell you that both the Chester Honda centre and Crewe Honda have told me that the correct oil for the b'bird is semi and not to use fully synth. as it's not recommened by Honda.

Think I did say in a previous debate on here that as Honda arn't specific in the handbook it proly would be a problem for them if it did cause damage. However, I suspect by the time any possible damage was obvious a bike would be long past warranty and Honda would say "prove it was the oil"..... I suspect at that point most peeps would give up.

 

[NoBBy]

Nobby - V&M Racing? Yellow and Red livery? TT specialists? Ian Duffis and the late great David Jefferies on the R1's? Jim Moody? Shame on you man!
They did a hotter BlackBird for the 50th anniversary called the CBR1200XX. Numbers were limited, Gerry owns one. V&M guaranteed it had 180 rwhp and interestingly they chose to tune a carbed version even though the injected bike was already out. They put out 200bhp at the crank and usually a smidgen short of 180 at the rear wheel. It had a 4 into 1 Akra system and was really the bike that Honda should be producing now

I know who V&M racing are. But had forgot about the 50th anniversary Bird. I have seen one around Lancashire usually at Caton or Glasson Dock. I did wonder if it's was genuine bike. The late reg V or Y and being a carb model had me wondering. Would like to know if it's anyone off here.

 

[gerryc]

Sorry was a bit missleading with the earlier post.

The 50th Anniversary 1200XX model came fitted with Morris Super 4 semi synthetic oil.
However as recommeded by Honda and V&M at the second oil change this can and was changed to fully synthetic, the only oils reccomeded were Morris Race 4 fully synthetic or the Silkolene as previously stated.
These are the only oils I can and do put in the bike and have more trouble with the back wheel braking traction than I do with the clutch which is the same as on the standard bike.
One big difference is I have to do the oil and filter every 3000mls.

 

[Wolfie]

using a race oil will gain power but you have to change it very regularly like 200-500miles or something like that.

dino oil in my bike always has been always will be while i own it.

workshop manthing says recommended oil: honda 4 stroke oil or equivalent, api se sf or sg

sae 10w-40w


now honda sell two differents of 4 stroke oil

so take yer pick.