Total Smoking Ban

[R2B2]

Common sense and a bit of simple respect prevails k1ap k1ap k1ap

It will be nice to go out and not come back with clothes reeking of stale smoke.

who's got the right to rob the guys of the little excess they can afford?

Nobody is robbing anybody of the right to smoke - just not in an enclosed public place that's all. That seems perfectly reasonable and sensible to me :dunno: :dunno:

 

[Wolfie]

just not in an enclosed public place that's all

doesn't exist, unless of course smokers are not part of the public then it does.

 

[Messer]

Ireland

I just got back from a trip to Sligo, Ireland whilst in a pub there It was quite strange seeing folks order their beer then leave a full one on the bar, walk out have a fag then walk back in and carry on with their coversations.
It was nice to wake up in the morning with no smelly clothes etc..
It works well over there so why cant it work over here?
The only downfall was fighting your way past the smokers at the door/porch when it was raining, the lanlord did supply umbrellas though!! 8ree!

Messer

 

[R2B2]

doesn't exist, unless of course smokers are not part of the public then it does.

Not sure I'm getting your drift there :dunno: :dunno:

 

[SILVERONE]

We Can't Win

I just got back from a trip to Sligo, Ireland whilst in a pub there It was quite strange seeing folks order their beer then leave a full one on the bar, walk out have a fag then walk back in and carry on with their coversations.
It was nice to wake up in the morning with no smelly clothes etc..
It works well over there so why cant it work over here?
The only downfall was fighting your way past the smokers at the door/porch when it was raining, the lanlord did supply umbrellas though!! 8ree!

Messer

Now it's our fault you can not feel the rain :bang:

 

[Wolfie]

Not sure I'm getting your drift there :dunno: :dunno:

follow the smoke, i am outside stopping the rain, polluting the night air with the glow of my fag, whilst standing by my bike.

 

[Duck n Dive]

Well I've never smoked but also never really had problems with folk that do as in my experience they've been considerate where needed (i.e. meals).

I'm just uncomfortable with all this "it's bad for you so we'll ban it" stuff.

I probably think to much for my own good at times - it's just that logic tells me that if the principal is accepted that we can be made to do something or prevented from doing something "for our own good" or "'cause we'd be a drain on resources" then I can't see any logical point where you could draw a line.

50 years ago a smoking ban would have been unimaginable... in annother 10, 20.. 50 years ??

I joined the anti-skid lid protests for the same reason - I've always worn one (even in my moped days) but it just seemed wrong logic to force it.

Now we've got peeps potentially being refused medical attention, equal oppurtunity employers falling over themselves to be politically correct, health & safety rules and security rules that while OK "in principal" seem to be hading off into cloud cuckoo land at times......


Oh and John you forgot to mentions that with ASBOS (might be a good idea in principle) but don't need court evidence of guilt proven to get, and what was that the Govt. wanted as part of the anti-terrosim legislation - oh yeas the ability to either exclude folks from certain places/areas/buildings/locations or alternatively to confine them in the same way. Oh and to limit how/if they could communicate with others and control who they could communicate with.

Yep all these things can seem "reasonable" in one way but they don't half worry me for the future!!

I think the last place that practiced some of this used Siberia - internal exile I believe it was referred to.....

Oh my go - what a rant.... and all over banning something I don't do in the first place.

s04pb0x6

 

[Mac166]

The government will make money from people giving up smoking. What they will do is initially lose loads of revenue from the tax imposed on tabacco products. They will need to recoup it somewhere so they will tax all at a %age. At present approx 30% (guess) of the population smoke soon we will ALL be paying extra tax. In the long run they will earn more money.

 

[bitontheside]

I just got back from a trip to Sligo, Ireland whilst in a pub there It was quite strange seeing folks order their beer then leave a full one on the bar, walk out have a fag then walk back in and carry on with their coversations.
It was nice to wake up in the morning with no smelly clothes etc..
It works well over there so why cant it work over here?
The only downfall was fighting your way past the smokers at the door/porch when it was raining, the lanlord did supply umbrellas though!! 8ree!

Messer

I 've just had a week-end in Dublin - smoking ban in place and the pubs were heaving! Load of bollocks about pubs having to shut etc.

 

[RHINO]

I 've just had a week-end in Dublin - smoking ban in place and the pubs were heaving! Load of bollocks about pubs having to shut etc.

Well said BOTS,
There may be many NON-smokers willing to go out when its banned, people like my dad and my elder brother, people who have medical probs, people who, like me, feel physically sick after a while of smoke pollution.

A few weeks ago a group of us were in the pub, out of 8 in our group only 2 didn't smoke, i had to go outside for 5 mins to stop my eyes stinging and my stomach turning.. Its a rancid habit of vast magnitude where many of the smokers would dearly love to quit but have NO will-power.
Bacause of their own weakness to be able to kick the habit they seem to get enraged towards the idea of being outcast.

You have 18 months to get help and quit so your not inconvenienced by the ban OR f**k off outside away from the nice people.

How many of you who smoke ACTUALLY enjoy the taste / smell of fags??

 

[Wolfie]

f**k off outside away from the nice people

"nice" people dont tell other people what to do, so f**k off yerself not nice person!!!

How many of you who smoke ACTUALLY enjoy the taste / smell of fags??

me for one.

 

[marcella]

"nice" people dont tell other people what to do, so f**k off yerself not nice person!!!





me for one.

very eloquently put andy

 

[CAD]

Happening already methinks!

The government will make money from people giving up smoking. What they will do is initially lose loads of revenue from the tax imposed on tabacco products. They will need to recoup it somewhere so they will tax all at a %age. At present approx 30% (guess) of the population smoke soon we will ALL be paying extra tax. In the long run they will earn more money.

As peeps give up they are probably stealth taxing us already and probably on alcohol and fuel. Guaranteed tax.
I'm a smoker and enjoy it. Would be nice if Phony Tony and his politically correct pondlifeticians had left us somewhere to go for a pint and a smoke. In my local the vast majority smoke so it'll be fun to see us all wearing the carpet out between the bar and the great outdoors so we can drink in a clean air pub. But we smoke anyway......all confused now:dunno: .

 

[R2B2]

I'm just uncomfortable with all this "it's bad for you so we'll ban it" stuff.

This must be the most misunderstood piece of legislation in years! This is not about banning smoking, or telling people to give up smoking!

It's to do with non smoking folk not being subjected to passive smoking in enclosed and confined places, and cheifly to avoid the potential litigation faced by employers from action brought by employees in these places.

That's my understanding anyway - I don't think there's been a scrap of pressure on people to give up smoking during the stages of this bill.

There also seems to be this wave of belief that zillions of people are suddenly going to stop smoking, thus creating a huge tax shortage!. While I think some smokers will gain impetus to give up from this, by and large the biggest majority of smokers will contine. They just won't have a fag in the pub that's all!

 

[gypsy]

On a serious i note it puzzles me that people take jobs in pubs etc where smoking is allowed and then complain about the hazards they are facing in doing so .So what would happen if say a fireman refuses to go near a fire because he/she may get burnt or an doctor efuses to treat someone in case they get infected ? Surely they have freedom of choice to not apply to work in such places

 

[Smix]

On a serious i note it puzzles me that people take jobs in pubs etc where smoking is allowed and then complain about the hazards they are facing in doing so .So what would happen if say a fireman refuses to go near a fire because he/she may get burnt or an doctor efuses to treat someone in case they get infected ? Surely they have freedom of choice to not apply to work in such places

I've never understood people taking jobs in pubs/clubs etc and then complaining about the smoke. I am a non smoker, but I've worked in pubs since I was 16 (quite a while now!) and essentialy, that was my choice. I knew I'd have to breathe in cigarette smoke, but that was my choice to have a job where the social side made the fag smoke worth while!!!! :bang:

Mind you - there are some pub chains now that ban smoking at the bar, which I have to say is a nice idea for the staff, rubbish if you are one of those customers that leans, smokes and drinks against the bar!!! :xm

 

[Wolfie]

This is not about banning smoking,

feck me so i can smoke in my local then hurrah!!!!!

 

[gypsy]

As it happens i dont go to pubs very often and drink alcohol even less so perhaps i should join a group trying to ban drinking ?
Less alcohol related assaults, fewer drink driving accidents

 

[Wolfie]

As it happens i dont go to pubs very often and drink alcohol even less so perhaps i should join a group trying to ban drinking ?
Less alcohol related assaults, fewer drink driving accidents

no need edd that will be next, then bikes, then all vehicles will be limited to 70mph cause speed kills, then their will be areas for each "group" of people, then the uniform will come in, then the childbirth control.


dont believe me??

wait and see.

george lucas book thx1138 is becoming the real world.

 

[Wolfie]

is not a prison an enclosed space???

yet the cons can still smoke, incase there is a riot, i think the words used were.