What the ? This could have had serious reprocussions for the Blood Bike service

[T.C]

https://www.bloodbikesdevon.org.uk/news/press/not-guilty

I hope that the copper involved was taken to task over this, and I am deligted that the rider was aquitted on all counts.

Maybe I am being cynical but it seems clear to me that he had a vendetta against the Blood Bike service (who do a brilliant job) and was trying also to show off to his 2 young passengers.

I wonder what happened about the fact that he had 2 people below the minimum age on board?

 

[andyBeaker]

https://www.bloodbikesdevon.org.uk/news/press/not-guilty

I hope that the copper involved was taken to task over this, and I am deligted that the rider was aquitted on all counts.

Maybe I am being cynical but it seems clear to me that he had a vendetta against the Blood Bike service (who do a brilliant job) and was trying also to show off to his 2 young passengers.

I wonder what happened about the fact that he had 2 people below the minimum age on board?

While it seems clear that plod didn't cover themselves in glory, the writer of the article may have presented one side of the story. I am left wondering what happened for this incident to start in the first place - that seems to have been skimmed over?
There are two ways of looking at this - the other way is that the rider was not prosecuted for speeding as the police did not have evidence of the speed (which is very poor). To me this implies that if they had evidence that the rider was doing the alleged 105mph then they would have been prosecuted?

Also the siren question - it is clear that there was doubt whether the bike was permitted to have a siren fitted - the judge made a ruling on this so it must have been unclear 'in law' previously. It is now clear, which is a good thing.

Not judging anyone here, just observing that the writer may not be totally unbiased in how they report the incident. Some of the writer's words ('to make matters even worse' for instance) suggest that this may be the case.

 

[Pow-Lo]

While it seems clear that plod didn't cover themselves in glory, the writer of the article may have presented one side of the story. I am left wondering what happened for this incident to start in the first place - that seems to have been skimmed over?
There are two ways of looking at this - the other way is that the rider was not prosecuted for speeding as the police did not have evidence of the speed (which is very poor). To me this implies that if they had evidence that the rider was doing the alleged 105mph then they would have been prosecuted?

Also the siren question - it is clear that there was doubt whether the bike was permitted to have a siren fitted - the judge made a ruling on this so it must have been unclear 'in law' previously. It is now clear, which is a good thing.

Not judging anyone here, just observing that the writer may not be totally unbiased in how they report the incident. Some of the writer's words ('to make matters even worse' for instance) suggest that this may be the case.

Dear oh dear. The Bloodbike rider was not alleged to have been doing 105mph. Dibble didn't allege a speed only that he had to travel at 105mph to catch up with the bike. Read the article proper or it's off to bed with no supper! In fact, you should ban yourself for 24 hours.

 

[Pow-Lo]

The other thing that bothers me about this is did anyone actually proof read the article? The spelling and grammar is appalling! Will.I.Was will have a fit when he reads it!

Great result for the rider though. I hope that Dibble gets his knuckles rapped. Twats like him give the rest of the force a bad name.

 

[andyBeaker]

Dear oh dear. The Bloodbike rider was not alleged to have been doing 105mph. Dibble didn't allege a speed only that he had to travel at 105mph to catch up with the bike. Read the article proper or it's off to bed with no supper! In fact, you should ban yourself for 24 hours.

And that shows that there are two sides to the story. A quick internet search suggests otherwise - he was 'cleared' so he must have been charged.

https://www.devonlive.com/news/emergency-courier-driving-105mph-deliver-1820192

I am not saying he should or shouldn't have been doing 105mph, just saying that there are a number of different ways of presenting information.


The 'blood bikes' provide an amazing service by the way!!

 

[andyBeaker]

The other thing that bothers me about this is did anyone actually proof read the article? The spelling and grammar is appalling! Will.I.Was will have a fit when he reads it!

Great result for the rider though. I hope that Dibble gets his knuckles rapped. Twats like him give the rest of the force a bad name.

I hope plod gets his knuckles wrapped for not providing evidence of speed - and surely CPS must have been involved? WouldCPS have approved prosecution if they didn't think there was a decent chance of prosecution? Or did they want a ruling on 'siren' and saw this a a means to getting it?

All makes me feel that there is/was more going on here......

 

[T.C]

Also the siren question - it is clear that there was doubt whether the bike was permitted to have a siren fitted - the judge made a ruling on this so it must have been unclear 'in law' previously. It is now clear, which is a good thing.

Not judging anyone here, just observing that the writer may not be totally unbiased in how they report the incident. Some of the writer's words ('to make matters even worse' for instance) suggest that this may be the case.

Ever since I was a young traffic plod back in the 70's, it has been known (and it is in the regulations) that any vehicle used for "Ambulance" purposes are exempt and may be fitted with Blue Lights and a siren or two tone horns. A blood bike is deemed to be an Ambulance for that purpose.

Hell, even a private car being driven to Hospital in am emergency driving at excess speed has been held to be "Being used for Ambulance purposes", so that is not a difficult one to answer, although I suspect that the District Judge probab;y was not very traffic savvy.

The District judge only had to make a simple phone call to get that answer.

The article is going to be biased as it was written for the Devon blood bike newsletter, but to be fair, I have seen it reported on several other sources within the legal profession and the report is accurate, but the proof reading? Well they give their time for free and they are not professional journalists. I will give them the benefit on that

 

[andyBeaker]

Ever since I was a young traffic plod back in the 70's, it has been known (and it is in the regulations) that any vehicle used for "Ambulance" purposes are exempt and may be fitted with Blue Lights and a siren or two tone horns. A blood bike is deemed to be an Ambulance for that purpose.

Hell, even a private car being driven to Hospital in am emergency driving at excess speed has been held to be "Being used for Ambulance purposes", so that is not a difficult one to answer, although I suspect that the District Judge probab;y was not very traffic savvy.

The District judge only had to make a simple phone call to get that answer.

The article is going to be biased as it was written for the Devon blood bike newsletter, but to be fair, I have seen it reported on several other sources within the legal profession and the report is accurate, but the proof reading? Well they give their time for free and they are not professional journalists. I will give them the benefit on that

I am not disagreeing with anything you say.......but (!!) it seems that clarification on the use of sirens on a blood bike was made in this case, suggesting it was not clear previously.

Still think there is more to it to be honest....

 

[slim63]

Should never have got to court in the first place on the speeding charge as no evidence of speed was provided, plod couldn't have given any anyway as the vascar unit was removed from another vehicle & fitted to his 5 years previously & had never been calibrated, makes you wonder how many other poor sods he'd nicked for speeding without proof & therefore illegally ?

Point 2, arsehole plod has previous for this with blood bikes so its fairly obvious he has a problem with them in his tiny mind, proof positive that power corrupts if given to an idiot

And lastly the two kids shouldn't have been involved in this as the rules clearly state nobody under 18 should be involved in a blue light run, just my opinion but said arsehole should be kicked repeatedly in the balls then removed from his job today with no pension of other benefits

Sadly things like this are all too common within the police force but they get away with it time & time again as there are no comebacks or checks made by any outside body as is sorely needed

 

[Jaws]

Apart from anything else, who is going to pay for the damage caused etc to the bike by this self important demi-god
As it is obviously a reported accident, the rider is going to be paying for it for years to come through higher insurance bills

 

[andyBeaker]

Apart from anything else, who is going to pay for the damage caused etc to the bike by this self important demi-god
As it is obviously a reported accident, the rider is going to be paying for it for years to come through higher insurance bills

In fairness, plod didn't knock the bike off its stand!

 

[andyBeaker]

Should never have got to court in the first place on the speeding charge as no evidence of speed was provided, plod couldn't have given any anyway as the vascar unit was removed from another vehicle & fitted to his 5 years previously & had never been calibrated, makes you wonder how many other poor sods he'd nicked for speeding without proof & therefore illegally ?

Point 2, arsehole plod has previous for this with blood bikes so its fairly obvious he has a problem with them in his tiny mind, proof positive that power corrupts if given to an idiot

And lastly the two kids shouldn't have been involved in this as the rules clearly state nobody under 18 should be involved in a blue light run, just my opinion but said arsehole should be kicked repeatedly in the balls then removed from his job today with no pension of other benefits

Sadly things like this are all too common within the police force but they get away with it time & time again as there are no comebacks or checks made by any outside body as is sorely needed

I though the BBC monitored the police - that was their claim after the Cliff Richard ruling.

Where have you picked up that the officer had 'previous' with blood bikes?

 

[T.C]

I though the BBC monitored the police - that was their claim after the Cliff Richard ruling.

Where have you picked up that the officer had 'previous' with blood bikes?

The report states

"The rest of the force (Devon & Cornwall Police) is fine and actually works with us, but MPC Oliver tried once before in 2014 to prosecute a volunteer who was on a transplant call and failed, the case never made it to court."

 

[andyBeaker]

The report states

"The rest of the force (Devon & Cornwall Police) is fine and actually works with us, but MPC Oliver tried once before in 2014 to prosecute a volunteer who was on a transplant call and failed, the case never made it to court."

Fairs dos .

Presumably 'blood bikes' are obliged to operate 'within the law' in the same way that plod, ambulances, etc. Are?

Still think there is more to this as I can't see CPS backing what has been presented as a 'no chance of prosecution'.

 

[slim63]

Fairs dos .

Presumably 'blood bikes' are obliged to operate 'within the law' in the same way that plod, ambulances, etc. Are?

Still think there is more to this as I can't see CPS backing what has been presented as a 'no chance of prosecution'.

The copper does the usual "he was riding like an idiot/very dangerously/ in an unsafe manner ect" IE the normal bull to excuse his actions, the CPS takes him at his word & sees an easy prosecution (all helps the figures you know) the truth comes out & its too late for them to back down, they probably even offered the poor bloke a deal Eg| plead guilty to speeding & we will forget the rest, that's normal practice once they have got their knickers in a twist & if the rider wont back down (as he was in the right) then they are stuffed

Been there, done that & told them to feck right off back to whatever stone they crawled out from under more than once

 

[andyBeaker]

The copper does the usual "he was riding like an idiot/very dangerously/ in an unsafe manner ect" IE the normal bull to excuse his actions, the CPS takes him at his word & sees an easy prosecution (all helps the figures you know) the truth comes out & its too late for them to back down, they probably even offered the poor bloke a deal Eg| plead guilty to speeding & we will forget the rest, that's normal practice once they have got their knickers in a twist & if the rider wont back down (as he was in the right) then they are stuffed

Been there, done that & told them to feck right off back to whatever stone they crawled out from under more than once

Just for the sake of balance, there is a possibility that he 'was riding like an idiot'.

You have as much idea/evidence that he was or wasn't as I have.

 

[slim63]

Just for the sake of balance, there is a possibility that he 'was riding like an idiot'.

You have as much idea/evidence that he was or wasn't as I have.

Correct but that is not what you asked is it you wondered how the cps could back the case & I gave one likely reason

 

[T.C]

Just for the sake of balance, there is a possibility that he 'was riding like an idiot'.

If that was the case then despite plod being an idiot he (blood bike rider) would have also been reported (you would have thought) for dangerous and careless driving given that PC idiot was tryng to pin whatever he could on the blood bike rider, and on conviction would have carried the much higher penalty in more ways than one.

But there is no suggestion that a sections 2 or 3 were even considered.

 

[andyBeaker]

One of the few things in life I have learned is never to take things at face value. There is pretty much always a bias in one direction or another depending on where a person stands in any particular situation.

Unfortunately social media is an incredibly fertile breeding ground for all sorts of opinions being spouted without any fear of accountability or repercussion.

The only two people who know what happened in this incident are the two that were involved. Even the chap on the website wasn't there so he doesn't know.

The onus is on plod to prove their case and they spectacularly failed.

My personal opinion is simply that there must have been a reason why this all happened beyond what has been reported.

That's it!!

 

[ianrobbo1]

Seems to me that Police force has a bit of homework to do, I for one would Question any speeding prosecution involving the Police car and officer in it, "calibrations" weren't done, also why the CPS didn't pick up on that fact, if the copper involved had himself been involved with any spurious prosecutions prior to this one, if so what was the outcome of them, ask why his "inspector" would have given the copper permission to pursue the blood bike with under age people in the cop car, as well as being a "blood bike" rather than take the reg number and follow up next day, to "discuss" with the rider any faults or misbehaviour done at the time, yes the copper was well naughty, but his own force should have been made aware of any "circumstantial" evidence that was likely to have been brought up by the blood bikers defence, prior to the court case and saving the money it cost, and the egg on the CPS and Police force's face, all this beside the stress to the Blood biker and his group.