Indicating at roundabouts...

[Centaur]

Its just a pity that people on here that aren't even fit to polish his boots feel a need to argue his points in an upmanship type way .

IMHO if you're not prepared to take onboard what someone with TC's expertise has to say then good luck to you as its only a matter of time before you end up face down in the road .


Waits for the "I've been riding for 40 year without an accident " brigade to chip in now bl4hbl4hbl4hbl4h

I've had 2 minor crashes ( both non fault ) in the last two year or over 100k miles .... Means absolutely fuck all

As does sitting on the sofa for 39 years 10 months and spending 2 months riding the bike as I suspect many of these 40 years without incident boasts would number out

Christ, Mickey. It's Saint TC now is it? 8rfl@

How the fuck I have managed it to make it alive to 73 driving and riding high mileages all over the world without the Gospel according to Saint TC to guide me is a miracle. Read the whole thread, Mickey. TC became abusive when other people disagreed with him or dared not to carefully read all his posts. That, is what got peep's, including myself, backs up.

 

[Centaur]

The good news is you are definitely getting the promotion as chief pedant.The bad news is !!!!!! YOU have to tell Centaur move over, failure to complete this task will result in relinquishing the proposed promotion forthwith.

No, he is not! b0x2 8rfl@

 

[Barrie]

The good news is you are definitely getting the promotion as chief pedant.
The bad news is !!!!!! YOU have to tell Centaur move over, failure to complete this task will result in relinquishing the proposed promotion forthwith.

I don't have to tell Centaur, I'm his apprentice. 8rfl@

 

[Centaur]

I don't have to tell Centaur, I'm his apprentice. 8rfl@

A place for everyone and everyone in his place. 8rfl@

 

[slim63]

I have not been on here for a while but just trawled through this whole thread as the issue of indicators & roundabouts really boils my piss

EG on a 2 lane entrance to a roundabout with 3 exits I was taught the left lane is for turning left or going straight on while the right lane is for turning right unless otherwise marked, nice & simple you would think but many people insist on using the right lane to go straight on hence cutting back into the left lane & causing everyone problems

The second exit of any roundabout is classed as straight on regardless of how many exits there are, not difficult is it

Indicating to stop on the left ... wtf is that all about, those big red things on the back are brake lights, if they come on it means I am slowing down or stopping, indicating left means I am turning left, read the highway code ffs

Two roundabouts just down the road have traffic lights on them which in theory is a good idea ..... but people insist on going through on amber or red even when the next set of lights will stop them & that results in the roundabout being jammed up so that the next lot of traffic released by the lights cant enter causing chaos every night from about 4.30 to 6pm :wank: nobody gains & everybody loses because of a lack of consideration by the vast majority

Parking .... my house has a drive with white lines in front of it (as does next door) the gap between our no parking line & next door's isn't enough to get a mini into so why do people insist on parking there ?
The road is narrow & cars park (legally) on the other side , this means that space is restricted enough that I cant go off my drive & turn left without making 2 or 3 attempts to get it round if some twat is parked our side, a lot of the time I was having to go right & around the block when left is the way I need to go .... I may have resolved this my making a scene with a mates tow truck that bought the neighbours out while I was threatening to tow a calibra to the scrappy :-0)

 

[slim63]

Rant over :-0)

 

[Vinterceptor]

Indicating to stop on the left ... wtf is that all about, those big red things on the back are brake lights, if they come on it means I am slowing down or stopping, indicating left means I am turning left, read the highway code ffs

Just read it and it tends to disagree with you
Rule 103

Signals warn and inform other road users, including pedestrians (see ?Signals to other road users), of your intended actions. You should always

• give clear signals in plenty of time, having checked it is not misleading to signal at that time
• use them to advise other road users before changing course or direction, stopping or moving off
• cancel them after use
• make sure your signals will not confuse others. If, for instance, you want to stop after a side road, do not signal until you are passing the road. If you signal earlier it may give the impression that you intend to turn into the road. Your brake lights will warn traffic behind you that you are slowing down
• use an arm signal to emphasise or reinforce your signal if necessary. Remember that signalling does not give you priority.

Doesn't happen very often, but it can be frustrating when you get some clown in front who just suddenly (or gradually) stops for no apparent reason without indicating. The instinct is to think they have stopped because of an obstruction or summat and you slow down or wait behind them.
Whereas if they indicate and stop, you know exactly what their intent is.

 

[andyBeaker]

If I am intending to slow down and stop on a road then I indicate. I am not bothered if there is any other traffic around or not.

Consistency of actions brings automatic behaviours which means less to think about when driving meaning more attention available for the 'non automatic' stuff like steering the car. Oh, you know what I mean........

 

[bishbosh]

If I am intending to slow down and stop on a road then I indicate. I am not bothered if there is any other traffic around or not.

Consistency of actions brings automatic behaviours which means less to think about when driving meaning more attention available for the 'non automatic' stuff like steering the car. Oh, you know what I mean........

There is a difference in automatic.

You signal automatically and do not have to be too concerned about observation knowing that all road users can be aware of your intention.

You use observation and are fully aware of other road users and hazards and automatically convey your intentions to other road users by position, speed, indication. Yes you may have to think through things initially but over time this becomes an automatic response, so just like you become 'one' with your vehicle you can become 'one' with your environment.

@tu*

 

[Barrie]

There is a difference in automatic.

You signal automatically and do not have to be too concerned about observation knowing that all road users can be aware of your intention.

You use observation and are fully aware of other road users and hazards and automatically convey your intentions to other road users by position, speed, indication. Yes you may have to think through things initially but over time this becomes an automatic response, so just like you become 'one' with your vehicle you can become 'one' with your environment.

@tu*

You can extend this thinking to speed. Driving according to the prevailing conditions can get you into trouble. 80mph on a quiet motorway can result in a fine and points. Do 30mph past a school when kids are arriving/leaving and no offence in law is committed.
Which scenario is the most dangerous?

 

[Barrie]

If I am intending to slow down and stop on a road then I indicate. I am not bothered if there is any other traffic around or not.

Consistency of actions brings automatic behaviours which means less to think about when driving meaning more attention available for the 'non automatic' stuff like steering the car. Oh, you know what I mean........

Steering isn't an automatic reaction? You are one dangerous twat.

 

[andyBeaker]

Steering isn't an automatic reaction? You are one dangerous twat.

Better that than just being a straightforward twat, Eh?

If you thought about it (why am I wasting my breath?) when riding a motorbike well you are not thinking about things like changing gears - when you are proficient that is the sort of thing you do without thinking about it. Which is why new riders are so useless - they need to think about stuff like that which gives them less/little time to think about the road. Experience brings us to the situation where you have all your 'thinking' available to do things that are constant variables such as looking at road signs, steering, anticipating the moronic actions of others, being in the right lane, etc, etc. rather than changing gear.

I hope that is simple enough for you.:-:

 

[slim63]

Just read it and it tends to disagree with you
Rule 103

Signals warn and inform other road users, including pedestrians (see ?Signals to other road users), of your intended actions. You should always

• give clear signals in plenty of time, having checked it is not misleading to signal at that time
• use them to advise other road users before changing course or direction, stopping or moving off
• cancel them after use
• make sure your signals will not confuse others. If, for instance, you want to stop after a side road, do not signal until you are passing the road. If you signal earlier it may give the impression that you intend to turn into the road. Your brake lights will warn traffic behind you that you are slowing down
• use an arm signal to emphasise or reinforce your signal if necessary. Remember that signalling does not give you priority.

Doesn't happen very often, but it can be frustrating when you get some clown in front who just suddenly (or gradually) stops for no apparent reason without indicating. The instinct is to think they have stopped because of an obstruction or summat and you slow down or wait behind them.
Whereas if they indicate and stop, you know exactly what their intent is.

Agreed it does seem to disagree, I had not looked for a while & just looked both online & in an older highway code book I have here, the book says brake lights mean "I am slowing down or stopping" when this change was made I don't know :dunno:

I do know I was given a serious bollocking for indicating to stop on my first DSA test at Cardington & have not done it since :dunno:

 

[Barrie]

Isn't that why you had to delete your Facebook account?:whi5tl:

I did upset a few "Family" members. Sensitive twats who live south of Watford. :wank:

 

[americanexpress]

You weren't in Malta by any chance, we're you?

Frequently, but never brave enough to drive there: far too many bastards who don't signal anything, and often stop on the side of the roundabout to deal with their mobile phone callsh1d1ng2

 

[Barrie]

Frequently, but never brave enough to drive there: far too many bastards who don't signal anything, and often stop on the side of the roundabout to deal with their mobile phone callsh1d1ng2

I love driving in Malta. Approach a junction or roundabout, hand on horn an keep going. If you stop and get tail ended, it's your fault. Love it. IAM? Yeah! Right.

 

[americanexpress]

I love driving in Malta. Approach a junction or roundabout, hand on horn an keep going. If you stop and get tail ended, it's your fault. Love it. IAM? Yeah! Right.

:yo::yo::yo: