Indicating at roundabouts...

[andyBeaker]

So it is OK for everyone else to be aggressive, but not me? gr0n:

I have no problem with people having a different viewpoint, thats what makes the world go round. What pisses me off is when they take my comments out of context because they have not or cannot be bothered to read the post properly, or make no effort to even try and understand the point I am making.

What makes it even better is the deafening silence if you ask someone to justify an unwarranted personal comment.:dunno:

 

[ianrobbo1]

What makes it even better is the deafening silence if you ask someone to justify an unwarranted personal comment.:dunno:

Name and shame!! :-0) name and shame!! go on dare yeah!!:-0)

 

[Barrie]

Many years ago, my route to work involved negotiating a series of five roundabouts all of which could be negotiated in either direction. As you correctly state, it was a question of closing your eyes and going for it!!

You weren't in Malta by any chance, we're you?

 

[Dickiebird]

And I rest my case. You have more or less admitted that you are too lazy to think for yourself :whi5tl: and you do it through habit rather than actually think about what you are doing or who you are indicating to. So on that basis I bet 95% of your signals are a wast of time, incorrectly given or misleading.

Try thinking for yourself rather than doing something through habit, you might find it actually works better, and forget DSA or driving test requirements, 95% of what is required for test can be binned as soon as you past your test anyway.

I think this is the thread where the shit it the fan as far as I am concerned. Nowhere did I suggest that it became a "habit ", and how can you say that my signals are "misleading or incorrectly given " ? Let me ask you this ; do you consciously think about fastening your seat belt or deliberate whether to switch your lights on when its dark ? No, because you do it "without having to think" about it. Am I right ? On reflection , this post was the first time I've known you talk shite, so I'm prepared to dismiss it on the grounds that maybe you weren't in the best of moods that particular day ! END OF !

 

[ScottyUK]

Given TC's absolutely ridiculous long list of credentials, if I was disagreeing with him on a subject I would look at what he's written and think "what have I missed?".

Perhaps most on here don't know TC's full background and it's not for me to lay it all in front of you but I can assure you that we're fortunate to have someone with TC's amount of experience and knowledge. There are few (if any) out there that could claim to be a more qualified expert on this subject.


And no I've not been paid to post this :-0)

 

[stormer]

I do not think anyone here is discussing what is black or white.....more what in their opinion is black or white. If everything in this World was cast in stone things would be simple. I am old, wise and most probably the most intelligent man in this room at the moment......but that is just my opinion....:violin:
But that must make me right...gr0n:

 

[Centaur]

Given TC's absolutely ridiculous long list of credentials, if I was disagreeing with him on a subject I would look at what he's written and think "what have I missed?".

Perhaps most on here don't know TC's full background and it's not for me to lay it all in front of you but I can assure you that we're fortunate to have someone with TC's amount of experience and knowledge. There are few (if any) out there that could claim to be a more qualified expert on this subject.


And no I've not been paid to post this :-0)

Like yourself, Scotty, I have enjoyed TCs knowledgable posts in the past but as I posted earlier I think we caught him on a bad day. We all have them. :-0)

 

[Barrie]

I thought the idea of starting a thread was to get comments and reactions from other people. :dunno:

 

[MrToast]

Rant Alert LMAO

As an ex driving examiner, I have noted over the years that correct use of the indicators generally stopped once I had exited the car.

Sadly, in this short-sighted country, the DSA (as was - now the DVSA) has no provision for continued monitoring of "driving standards" to maintain quality of people driving vehicles that kill daily.
The police have little or no powers if they spot poor driving...
But a forklift driver must retake his test every three years forever...
And certain other tradesmen must keep their tickets renewed frequently too...
Go figure. I have long maintained that new drivers should be retested after one year and everybody every 5 years. Would save a lot of lives...
But would be grossly unpopular with the people (whose driving standard is poor) so no government will ever implement it.

And lane discipline on roundabouts? No, let us no go there at 3:30am... rant/off Time to watch The Simpsons and calm down LMAO

 

[stormer]

So as an ex driving examiner how often do you have your standards of driving assessed ? How are we going to find any drivers who need extra training when all drivers are better than average ? It's nothing to do with riding/driving skills it's all about mindset and attitude. Most drivers/riders can eventually show they can pass a simple set of rules and steering maneuvers, get their ticket then say bollocks to the rules of the road as no one is there to say different.
Someone passed them off as qualified riders/drivers.:cry:

 

[Centaur]

Take a trip to any third world country, Mr Toast.

As an ex driving examiner, I have noted over the years that correct use of the indicators generally stopped once I had exited the car.

Sadly, in this short-sighted country, the DSA (as was - now the DVSA) has no provision for continued monitoring of "driving standards" to maintain quality of people driving vehicles that kill daily.
The police have little or no powers if they spot poor driving...
But a forklift driver must retake his test every three years forever...
And certain other tradesmen must keep their tickets renewed frequently too...
Go figure. I have long maintained that new drivers should be retested after one year and everybody every 5 years. Would save a lot of lives...
But would be grossly unpopular with the people (whose driving standard is poor) so no government will ever implement it.

And lane discipline on roundabouts? No, let us no go there at 3:30am... rant/off Time to watch The Simpsons and calm down LMAO

It shows how good our driving is generally and as a proportion of the driven miles how few peeps are actually killed. Putting a monitor in the cars of all new drivers for a couple of years would probably help! When we have driverless cars the problem will be solved. Apparently. 8rfl@

 

[MrToast]

So as an ex driving examiner how often do you have your standards of driving assessed ? How are we going to find any drivers who need extra training when all drivers are better than average ? It's nothing to do with riding/driving skills it's all about mindset and attitude. Most drivers/riders can eventually show they can pass a simple set of rules and steering maneuvers, get their ticket then say bollocks to the rules of the road as no one is there to say different.
Someone passed them off as qualified riders/drivers.:cry:

As an examiner you have regular assessments of your testing assessments. You own driving can be assessed at any time plus there are times when you have to attend head office for assessment and 'development'...

Ever watched foreign lorry drivers? Turning right at dual carriageway roundabouts, from the left lane with no signals etc...

There needs to be a system whereby people seen misbehaving, or driving aggressively, tailgating etc are referred for remedial instruction and/or re-test. Never going to happen. Stiffer penalties too. My recommendation? Buy a Ferret armoured scout car to transport your family... I used to have a 740 Volvo for mine.

 

[lee j]

Ever watched foreign lorry drivers? Turning right at dual carriageway roundabouts, from the left lane with no signals etc... QUOTE]

Not necessarily just foreign HGV drivers. Had an instance a few months ago exactly the same as you state but it was a UK registered car - could have been a foreign rental driver I suppose - that entered the roundabout opposite me (4 way interchange) and proceeded to keep extreme left lane (like almost on the entryway broken lines all the way round to 4th exit (ie back the way he had come), no indication of any type. Caused me to stop quickly at my entry point when I realised he was not exiting anywhere - but he was totally oblivious of anything else on/near the roundabout.

Lee

 

[ianrobbo1]

A canon fitted to the front of cars would get used quite a lot me thinks!! :-0)

BTW Thanks for your input TC, I for one appreciate the time and effort you put into this site free and for all our benefit!! @tu*

 

[parttimepilot]

I thought the idea of starting a thread was to get comments and reactions from other people. :dunno:

Isn't that why you had to delete your Facebook account?:whi5tl:

 

[mickvfr800fiw]

A canon fitted to the front of cars would get used quite a lot me thinks!! :-0)

BTW Thanks for your input TC, I for one appreciate the time and effort you put into this site free and for all our benefit!! @tu*

Its just a pity that people on here that aren't even fit to polish his boots feel a need to argue his points in an upmanship type way .

IMHO if you're not prepared to take onboard what someone with TC's expertise has to say then good luck to you as its only a matter of time before you end up face down in the road .


Waits for the "I've been riding for 40 year without an accident " brigade to chip in now bl4hbl4hbl4hbl4h

I've had 2 minor crashes ( both non fault ) in the last two year or over 100k miles .... Means absolutely fuck all

As does sitting on the sofa for 39 years 10 months and spending 2 months riding the bike as I suspect many of these 40 years without incident boasts would number out

 

[bluebirdphil]

I may not be fit to polish TCs boots but I'd be wasting my time as I live in a different world to him and would never get to see the shine.

As one of the 99.9% of riders/drivers who have never had any advanced training I ride/drive generally in accordance with the highway code. According to TCs post 32 that classifies me as as one of the thickest and lowest riders/drivers in the country as a follower of the highway code. Maybe I'm just lucky that I dont crash every week nor leave a trail of destruction behind me but the highway code seems to have served me adequately.

I must remember next time I'm walking back from the pub in the dark that I treat every passing car with suspicion in case its TC turning into his drive without indicating.

 

[noobie]

On the bike knowing how many spanners there are in cages, I tend to over use the indicators to make it clear what I am doing and just accept that everyone else on the road is a twat, so I take nothing they do as a given.

As to tc, A man with a wealth of experience in that particular field so I'd always view his information and opinion as being informative based on facts rather than just opinion. Take from him what you will but I've rarely been dissapointed in his help not only to riders in here but bird in general.

 

[Barrie]

I've decided not to indicate at all. Keep the twats guessing seems to work. Ride or drive like a twat and people will stay away from you.

 

[mickyb999]

Ok Baz

IF you "Exercise" your demons, they will still need "Exorcising"

The good news is you are definitely getting the promotion as chief pedant.
The bad news is !!!!!! YOU have to tell Centaur move over, failure to complete this task will result in relinquishing the proposed promotion forthwith.