Arming the cops

[John57]

I've had a warrant card for 17 years .... and I would carry a gun - so long as someone taught me properly how to use it and laid down strict rules, etc.

I would want proper backup though from the system though .... certainly not my perception of what we have at the moment !! If that didn't change then I wouldn't want a gun.

I don't think the girl the other day would probably have stood a chance with a gun anyway, but ..... having heard a friend of mine being shot at over the radio a few years ago and another who had a gun put to their head at the same incident when they were effectively defenceless I would rather have the ability to defend myself.

Listening to that on the radio remains the most unpleasant thing I have heard. Luckily - depending on your outlook, one of the two men involved in that shooting killed himself at the scene and the other is, to my knowledge, locked up still....... as I say though - I, personally, would have a gun..... but I am not 21 any more (or anywhere near it!) and realise there are valid concerns about some in uniform who are and those who 'love' the thought of having a gun.

 

[BlackBirdBaz]

Do they pierce "puffa jackets", and what about quality bike leathers, with body armour ?

Well you can always aim low to the gonads, now thats the way to bring scum to their knees !! smilie_koc Hot Dog anyone ?

 

[Mac166]

The next argument would be 'shoot to kill' policy. If you are in the situation where you have needed to draw your weapon then either the perp should give up or be shot dead. I don't believe in wounding. A wounded person can still shoot back.

The pink and fluffy pillow brigade will be out in force trying to get you armed with nothing more powerful than a Gat-gun. (how many can remember them?)

I think we need to look to other countries that are armed. We have a real terroroist threat to this country, and it needs to be dealt with swiftly and with as much aggression they show innocent civilians. Once a person has drawn a weapon they have raised the ante. Bollocks to their human rights. They chose to fight in this way so we should meet them at their own terms.

 

[Jono]

Nobody is trained to shoot to wound, all are trained to, as a last resort, shoot to incapacitate / stop the person from doing whatever it is they are doing. fl4g71

 

[1200Pete]

Any one noticed how many hand guns there are around now they have been banned totally g0nn3

I saw a sticker in a gun shop ages ago, way before all the knee jerking that went on a few years back, it read "if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" How true it seems to be.

Sod arming the Police, arm the public! That will stop people fookin with each other

Unfortunately I feel that it is only a short period of time until all cops are armed, they will have to be to take over totally and run this country as a Police state.

Sorry, got myself all wound up then s04pb0x6

 

[Wolfie]

spring or clock???

 

[scruffygit]

Nobody is trained to shoot to wound, all are trained to, as a last resort, shoot to incapacitate / stop the person from doing whatever it is they are doing. fl4g71

Being in the military (loosely, RAF) got to disagree.

We are not taught to shoot to kill/wound/incapacitate or whatever PC bo11oxs is being touted at the time. We are simply taught to aim at the centre of the largest target, the torso. Its just unlucky that a high velocity round through that area tends to take out most of your vital organs sh1tehppns . The only exception is suspected suicide bombers where you are supposed to shoot them in the head in case of setting of the explosives.

And finally a personal opinion on the few armed police I have met - Fecking amateurs up their own ar5es.

 

[Wolfie]

Being in the military (loosely, RAF) got to disagree.

We are not taught to shoot to kill/wound/incapacitate or whatever PC bo11oxs is being touted at the time. We are simply taught to aim at the centre of the largest target, the torso.

is that cause you would miss if yer had to aim for the head,

 

[Wolfie]

Just a quickie in line with the recent shooting events; lets have a show of hands who thinks the old bill should now be permanently armed.

no, one hand is they need for wank.

two is just wasting tax payers money.

 

[scruffygit]

is that cause you would miss if yer had to aim for the head,

:}

With 30 rounds, one of them is going to hit, maybe.

Could be worse, we could have the yanks "protecting" us

 

[derek kelly]

Being in the military (loosely, RAF) got to disagree.
We are not taught to shoot to kill/wound/incapacitate or whatever PC bo11oxs is being touted at the time. We are simply taught to aim at the centre of the largest target, the torso. Its just unlucky that a high velocity round through that area tends to take out most of your vital organs sh1tehppns . The only exception is suspected suicide bombers where you are supposed to shoot them in the head in case of setting of the explosives.

And finally a personal opinion on the few armed police I have met - Fecking amateurs up their own ar5es.

You mean they are actually trusting the RAF with real weapons now?

You must be unlucky with the armed response police you have met as most of the ones I have met are ex forces who already had a decent knowledge & respect for their weapons.

 

[Jono]

Being in the military (loosely, RAF) got to disagree.

We are not taught to shoot to kill/wound/incapacitate or whatever PC bo11oxs is being touted at the time. We are simply taught to aim at the centre of the largest target, the torso. Its just unlucky that a high velocity round through that area tends to take out most of your vital organs sh1tehppns . The only exception is suspected suicide bombers where you are supposed to shoot them in the head in case of setting of the explosives.

And finally a personal opinion on the few armed police I have met - Fecking amateurs up their own ar5es.

HMmmmm? Well also being ex military, (Marines, not loosely) Not sure if your just touting for a bite. That would be the easiest way out for you after making a sweeping statement like the above. I'd be even more interested to know of what experience you have of the above to make a statement like that. Only talking from an "amateurs" point of view, inside my arse of course. g0nn3

 

[BlackBirdBaz]

I say Arm the Police - Harriers, Tornados, Apache :yo: :yo: :yo:

 

[derek kelly]

I say Arm the Police - Harriers, Tornados, Apache :yo: :yo: :yo:

Tornados did 'Telstar' it was The shadows what did 'Apache' :neenaw:

 

[BlackBirdBaz]

Tornados did 'Telstar' it was The shadows what did 'Apache' :neenaw:

Go and crawl back under your rolling stone man8um

 

[derek kelly]

Go and crawl back under your rolling stone man8um

Which one? not keith Richard's I hope.

 

[BlackBirdBaz]

Talking of which, I have tickets to see them later this year in Sheffield, now I wonder how much I can sell the tickets for !!


On nights this week so off to get sorted now..........

 

[scruffygit]

HMmmmm? Well also being ex military, (Marines, not loosely) Not sure if your just touting for a bite. That would be the easiest way out for you after making a sweeping statement like the above. I'd be even more interested to know of what experience you have of the above to make a statement like that. Only talking from an "amateurs" point of view, inside my arse of course. g0nn3

Ok, I wasn't touting for a bite but, seeing as I've got one, I may as well play it.

I wasn't aware that you were a 'boot'. Now I do, I can assure you the amateur tag certainly does not apply to you - or anyone with your sort of background. I've been working around the infantry long enough (19 yrs SH inc SF) to have gained a huge amount of respect for even a basic 'grunt', although I'd never admit it to them. I wouldn't do their job.

However, your original comment sounded very 'touchy feely PC', which would explain my not realising you were ex-RM, and implied that you would not shoot to kill, but would shoot to "incapacitate". Now, whilst admiting that being dead tends to really incapacite someone, I can not see any distinction between trying to incapaciate and actually attempting to wound them.
I'm assuming we have recieved the same basic training - single aimed shots, centre of largest target (the torso) etc, obviously you went on to higher level techniques - but, hopefully, you will agree that attempting to wound by deliberately aiming at an arm or leg carries a huge risk. The best that you can achieve is your objective, the worst is that you miss and the round goes on and hits an innocent by-stander. The best option is aim for the largest target area. The problem, if you consider it to be a problem (I don't), is most of your vital organs are in the target area and a hit in that area is going to be serious.

Finally, re the 'amateurs'. About 6 years ago we did a work up with the Thames Valley firearms people - we were working a military assistance scenario. The group attached to us were a bunch of Coks. Perhaps not amateurs, cowboys would be a better description, they treated the aircrew as taxi drivers, we (the ground crew) just didn't exist. The crew refused to do a couple of insertions because they were just plain dangerous and got told they were not up to the job. Those "few armed police I've met" were arrogant, ignorant :wank: who thought they were 'Special'. Special needs more like.

p0pc0rn41

 

[derek kelly]

My first encounter with armed police was when doing court duties in London in the early eighties at the time when the IRA were targetting London. They were very professional and very down to earth in their manner & approach.
It is not a job I would relish.

 

[D.S.]

Just a quickie in line with the recent shooting events; lets have a show of hands who thinks the old bill should now be permanently armed.

If so, why?

If not so, why?

Recent events don't change anything for me. Arm them and it's > g0nn3 :shooter:< "Hello America" :cry: No thanx