Civil Liberties. What would you scrap?

derek kelly · 1/7/10

karlos2000 said:
wow, you really are a narrow minded wanker ... all along I thought it was just an act ....

I think you will probably find that the majority of people feel as I do but some daren't admit it for fear of being branded homophobic.
I can in no way be described as a bible bashing Zealot quoting Sodom & Gamorrah & the wrath of god but I know what I find to be unnatural & no matter how many laws they bring out to protect Gay rights it does not make it right, to quote a well known television show God [if he/she exists] made Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve.

Murt · 1/7/10

Yes... Thought I may get some 'propa' debate or ideas going but.......

Anyway.

I think that if someone is found in another persons enclosed and secure home, without good cause, during the hours of darkness, as a trespasser, they should lose all rights to defence, and protection of the law.

If the owner of the property defends themselves or a member of their family, the trespasser should have NO rights at all.

Murt

Murt · 1/7/10

derek kelly said:
to quote a well known television show God [if he/she exists] made Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve.

Wadya mean!!

That God didn't make me?
Why me, that's against my equal opportunities that is.......

But I agree with the statement Derek.
If a male / Female couple were openly having oral sex in the corner of, lets say, a secluded railway station waiting room, and a complaint was made, they would get 'done' / arrested / dealt with in some way.(and have been).

Try that with a male / male (or female/female) couple in the same circs and all hell would break out with the gay rights lot, and has done on many occasions that I know of!

It should be exactly the same rules of engagement.

Consenting, in a PRIVATE place, that's how it should be.

Murt.

derek kelly · 1/7/10

Steve, if you are also a narrow minder :wank: then I am glad to be in your company :bow:

Tinytim · 1/7/10

Murt said:
Yes... Thought I may get some 'propa' debate or ideas going but.......

Anyway.

I think that if someone is found in another persons enclosed and secure home, without good cause, during the hours of darkness, as a trespasser, they should lose all rights to defence, and protection of the law.

If the owner of the property defends themselves or a member of their family, the trespasser should have NO rights at all.

Murt

Pretty sweeping statement that...Not even the right to live ?

Tinytim · 1/7/10

Murt said:
Wadya mean!!

That God didn't make me?
Why me, that's against my equal opportunities that is.......

But I agree with the statement Derek.
If a male / Female couple were openly having oral sex in the corner of, lets say, a secluded railway station waiting room, and a complaint was made, they would get 'done' / arrested / dealt with in some way.(and have been).

Try that with a male / male (or female/female) couple in the same circs and all hell would break out with the gay rights lot, and has done on many occasions that I know of!

It should be exactly the same rules of engagement.

Consenting, in a PRIVATE place, that's how it should be.

Murt.

Ya really think if a bloke was stuck up another blokes sludge pipe in a railway station waiting room etc, that no coont would say owt? Where the fook do you live?..

derek kelly · 1/7/10

Tinytim said:
Where the fook do you live?..

In the 21st Century

In 1982 a well known MP was caught with a rent boy in public toilets in Moulsham street Chelmsford, the Officer who arrested him was given two weeks special leave whilst the matter was hushed up

andyBeaker · 1/7/10

derek kelly said:
I think you will probably find that the majority of people feel as I do.

Er, please do not tar us all with that brush..............................

Next it will be 'I have a mate who....' etc etc to try and prove a point.

derek kelly · 1/7/10

andybird said:
Er, please do not tar us all with that brush..............................

Next it will be 'I have a mate who....' etc etc to try and prove a point.

Are you the majority?
Do you find public displays of homosexuality acceptable?
Don't need to prove any points, public displays of immorality are unnaceptable to the majority.

Dibbler · 1/7/10

Tinytim said:
Ya really think if a bloke was stuck up another blokes sludge pipe in a railway station waiting room etc, that no coont would say owt? Where the fook do you live?..

Truly, shakespear, he is re-born.

Beautiful prose dude!

I've just added 'sludge pipe' to my vocabulary:-0)

dave boyce · 2/7/10

Personally i've got nothing against homosexuality but i don't want it rammed down my throat!:xmAngry of mayfair

dave boyce · 2/7/10

derek kelly said:
I think you will probably find that the majority of people feel as I do but some daren't admit it for fear of being branded homophobic.
I can in no way be described as a bible bashing Zealot quoting Sodom & Gamorrah & the wrath of god but I know what I find to be unnatural & no matter how many laws they bring out to protect Gay rights it does not make it right, to quote a well known television show God [if he/she exists] made Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve.

Come on del boy you of all people being a biker should know what its like to be discriminated against pull ya head out ya arse and live and let live.:dunno:

andyBeaker · 2/7/10

derek kelly said:
Are you the majority?
Do you find public displays of homosexuality acceptable?
Don't need to prove any points, public displays of immorality are unnaceptable to the majority.

Derek, what i am saying is that the use of 'I think you will find the majority agree' in any argument is limp. We arer all entitled to our views, and don't need to be told what they are.

p0pc0rn41

rovinghawk · 2/7/10

I think this is relevant:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...top-photographer-taking-pictures-2012827.html

Anyone here care to defend the actions of these clowns? There's usually an apologist for this kind of stupidity.

RH

derek kelly · 2/7/10

dave boyce said:
Come on del boy you of all people being a biker should know what its like to be discriminated against pull ya head out ya arse and live and let live.:dunno:

If they want to live like that then fair enough but why parade it round the streets? Have you ever wondered why you've never seen a Hetero parade? It's because normality isn't celebrated.

karlos2000 · 2/7/10

derek kelly said:
If they want to live like that then fair enough but why parade it round the streets? Have you ever wondered why you've never seen a Hetero parade? It's because normality isn't celebrated.

for the same reason black people march with pride, when someone is from a minority, they have to have public displays of solidarity; good for them. Your view of the norm is from "our" straight side of the fence, but it's hackneyed tired and narrow minded. People don't "choose" to be gay, just as they don't choose to be black, or yellow, or straight. It's intellectually lazy to take your stance. No body will become gay just because someone marches about it. No gay man has ever bummed me or tried to just because I was alone with them in a toilet or bent over in front of them, just as I have never felt the need to rape a woman when left alone with them, these teenager type views on sex in public places is a tired example & straight from a 70's sitcom. Hetty people like us don't have to march, we are lucky that we don't have these crosses to bear, though there ought to be a Flat Cap & Whippet march, in support for you poor buggers.

Come and swim at my end of the gene pool Dirk, it's an eye opener.

derek kelly · 2/7/10

andybird said:
Derek, what i am saying is that the use of 'I think you will find the majority agree' in any argument is limp.

Fair enough, I was only trying to point out that in the eyes of Karlos & Morph the majority of us are narrow minded :wank:

andybird said:
We are all entitled to our views, and don't need to be told what they are.

p0pc0rn41

But isn't that exactly what is happening? only a couple of weeks ago guest house owners refused to let a couple of gays rent a room [as should be their right as it is their house] the couple are now being threatened with legal action for their homophobic behaviour.
The pc brigade are constantly ramming gay rights down our throats [no pun intended] & telling us we should embrace homosexuality

karlos2000 · 2/7/10

derek kelly said:
Fair enough, I was only trying to point out that in the eyes of Karlos & Morph the majority of us are narrow minded :wank:

But isn't that exactly what is happening? only a couple of weeks ago guest house owners refused to let a couple of gays rent a room [as should be their right as it is their house] the couple are now being threatened with legal action for their homophobic behaviour.
The pc brigade are constantly ramming gay rights down our throats [no pun intended] & telling us we should embrace homosexuality

I can't even begin to answer these 2 statements, you really are retarded.

isn't it time to pick up your copy of the Daily Mail :dunno:

derek kelly · 2/7/10

karlos2000 said:
for the same reason black people march with pride, when someone is from a minority, they have to have public displays of solidarity; good for them.

I can still remember the IRA marches, good for them?

karlos2000 said:
Your view of the norm is from "our" straight side of the fence, but it's hackneyed tired and narrow minded.

Right & morals are never hackneyed,tired & narrow minded.

karlos2000 said:
People don't "choose" to be gay,

Don't they? so how come some flit from different sex partner to same sex partner & back again? .

karlos2000 said:
It's intellectually lazy to take your stance.

Why? because I have my own views? because I won't bow down to the pc brigade?

karlos2000 said:
No gay man has ever bummed me or tried to just because I was alone with them in a toilet or bent over in front of them, just as I have never felt the need to rape a woman when left alone with them,

Nor me however I know several hundred that have

karlos2000 said:
views and say sex in public places is tired, & straight from a 70's sitcom.

Just because you have never witnessed it does not mean it doesn't happen

karlos2000 said:
Hetty people like us don't have to march, we are lucky that we don't have these crosses to bear,

Let them bear their cross but not share it

karlos2000 said:
there ought to be a Flat Cap & Whippet march, in support for you poor buggers.

There is but it is on the same day you marry your sisters

karlos2000 said:
Come and swim at my end of the gene pool Dirk, it's an eye opener.

I tried but my missionary work failed

Wolfie · 2/7/10

Many of the great leaders of this world visited the dirt box, alex the great, ceasar, the elephant across the alps dude, in fact visiting the dirt box was the norm for big strong hard bastids, being afraid/not accepting gays is a very modern idea last 100-200yrs or so. Being camp now is more the in thing to be bit like the dandys of the 1700-1800 hundreds.

I have marched on gay pride, sang songs for gay rights etc but then i have also disrupted the hunts and march against the poll tax and capitalism.

Spread love and peace to all and be amazed with what you would recieve back. last year in camden went for a meal with gay / trannie friends, some very nice looking women?? there i was not worried at all about the company i was in but was realy pissed off when a hairy armed lady told me i perfectly safe from her cause i was too feckin lady like for her!!! :-0):-0)

we live in England a big old melting pot for all walks of life enjoy a bit of them all and call yourselves a knowing person.

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