The floodgates are now open

[derek kelly]

Are there not operating procedures stating what you do in certain situations?
I am sure that in such a responsible profession that has management and H & S systems in place you will not be held responsible. There is a hierachy, a chain of command and unless you have been negligent or not complied with operating procedures or standing orders you are not to blame. Your supervisor, his manager and the management are responsible. I don't believe you could be sacked Derek.

Try telling that to a certain female officer at a female establishment.
One of the young prisoners ( at risk) was on the floor of her cell banging her head repeatedly on the floor, three female officers went in and using the correct home office approved techniques removed her from the cell and re-located her, when they removed her she had several marks on her face where she had been banging her head, she later claimed that two of these officers had assaulted her during her removal, the Governor (also female) called these two officers up and suspended them and had them escorted from the prison, but to add insult to injury she followed up with (directed to one officer who is a single mother of an eight year old son who she dotes on) "and you can expect to lose your kid" the two officers were told to report to the local police station to face charges, the police questioned them about the girls facial injuries, the officers explained about the girl banging her head repeatedly on the floor, and the numerous times she had done it in the past (all documented) the police are still proceeding with the charges, In all likelyhood the case will not even get to court and the officers will be reinstated, but why should they have this hanging over their heads for doing their jobs? This is why Prison Officers are filled with gloom and despondency, and why I am glad I only have eight years left to serve.

 

[roXXo]

The governor is probably in the wrong. There are set discipline and grievence procedures. Employees and first line managers have a duty as do their superiors to ensure that everything is done properly.
Ignoring non compliance is to condone it.
Direct or indirect threats are not on. the Governor should be disciplined.

 

[roXXo]

This is why Prison Officers are filled with gloom and despondency, and why I am glad I only have eight years left to serve.

Wrong attitude.
You can make a difference and you should be setting an example for new recruits. You can make changes. Don't whinge do it.
If nobody had stood up for what is right we would still be sending children to work in coal mines and worse.

 

[derek kelly]

After 24 years of trying to make a difference with no backing breeds despondency, I do still try to steer new recruits in the right direction, and as a result have earned their respect and the respect of older colleagues

 

[roXXo]

After 24 years of trying to make a difference with no backing breeds despondency, I do still try to steer new recruits in the right direction, and as a result have earned their respect and the respect of older colleagues

Just out of interest Derek in what position did you start and what is your current post?

 

[derek kelly]

I started as an officer and I am still an officer, I had aspirations to be a dog handler but after fifteen years of trying, and continually being kicked in the teeth (because I refused to lie to get what I wanted) I gave up, promotion does not appeal to me at all.
just out of interest Roxxo am I right in assuming you are in the prison service?

 

[robbo25]

unfortunately alot of "these kids of the future" come in our shop. straight away you can see what is to become of them. the local school has est 250 pupils of them 27% have one to one tuition because they are little shits. one mums son is a good lad but has trouble with a certain subject but cant get 1 to 1 because of his disabuilty of being good. is the advice to the mother to tell her her son to spit at the teacher and call him a wan..r if thats the only way to get more help. unfortunately derek you will see alot of these local kids soon. the parents in this case are to blame.

 

[derek kelly]

unfortunately alot of "these kids of the future" come in our shop. straight away you can see what is to become of them. the local school has est 250 pupils of them 27% have one to one tuition because they are little shits. one mums son is a good lad but has trouble with a certain subject but cant get 1 to 1 because of his disabuilty of being good. is the advice to the mother to tell her her son to spit at the teacher and call him a wan..r if thats the only way to get more help. unfortunately derek you will see alot of these local kids soon. the parents in this case are to blame.

Tell me about it my eleven year old nephew is one, parents divorced bitterly, grand parents (my in laws) terrified to tell him off so he demands and he gets. his father (brother in law) is an honest decent bloke but too insipid to instill moral guidance, so he just lets him get on with it, when we discuss this with him he blames the mother, but won't do anything about it.

 

[robbo25]

i think its called poisening of the mind. both parents are very bitter so whats the common interest. the child, seems the child has powers over both parents because they play one off against each other. bev

 

[derek kelly]

i think its called poisening of the mind. both parents are very bitter so whats the common interest. the child, seems the child has powers over both parents because they play one off against each other. bev

You can see it Bev, we can see it. but his own parents and grand parents can't see it and it's happening right under their own noses, I hope to god that I am wrong or they wake up before it is too late, but unfortunately they (grand parents) live in their own insular world and god forbid anyone should disagree with them, but they just won't be told.

 

[roXXo]

just out of interest Roxxo am I right in assuming you are in the prison service?

No you are not right Derek. I work in the Oil industry.
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