The floodgates are now open

[derek kelly]

One of the young prisoners at HMP Glen Parva, has just received ?112,000 damages from the Prison service, WHY? because the little darling attempted to hang himself, his argument was that because he was a known self harm risk the Prison service did not do enough to prevent him from trying to hang himself, so now we are going to have a situation where all prolific self harmers are going to sue the prison service......Stand by for major tax hikes

 

[ianrobbo1]

so If I understand this right, one of your collegues saved this persons life, and now the attempted?? sucidee is ?quids in,????
easy answer,
dont save their lives, let the buggers hang,!!! they figure that you all have a duty of care, and play on it,!! as soon as they see "things dont work like that" anymore, they will stop playing THAT game!!
in fact you might even give them "doner" cards and ask them to let you know when they intend "doing it" so you can get the doner recipitent ready!! :dunno:
play em at their own game,!!! after all THEY are the ones wot want to die arnt they??? :dunno:

 

[Fat Bert]

Crazy~~

Crazy world we live in - at the taxpayers expense

:bang: :bang: :bang:

Rope anyone? [cue abuse from Slobbo]

 

[derek kelly]

Unfortunately Ian we know this but the management are shit scared, after a certain ex Doctor killed himself Mr Blunkett is looking for scapegoats, that is why it is costing the prison service a fortune in keeping certain prisoners on constant watch, Most of these self harmers are attention seekers who will never kill themselves unless by misadventure but because of prison service policy we are dancing to their tune, and I can only see it getting worse, specially now that Governers have taken to calling Prisoners Mister, btw yesterday I was called a F*cking English bastard by an asian prisoner just because I made him get out of bed, I would have placed him on report but the last time it happened the officer was ridiculed and told to grow up

 

[reefer]

hmm 112 quid dont seem like a lot of money anyhows :dunno:





























T5............. Ignition..............whoosh

 

[roXXo]

Is this all anecdotal?

I heard that it was a prisoner from Strangeways who was awarded ?12,000 damages because he had hurt himself on barbed wire, broken glass, scaling a wall while trying to escape.

 

[roXXo]

btw yesterday I was called a F*cking English bastard by an asian prisoner just because I made him get out of bed, I would have placed him on report but the last time it happened the officer was ridiculed and told to grow up

Ridicule is no excuse. You should do what is right. Take it further.

 

[Nick Brett]

Whats the problem Derek, aren't you English?




Only joking mate. No offence meant. please :k

 

[robbo25]

well said ian at least it will make more room rather than tagging.

 

[D.S.]

Unfortunately Ian we know this but the management are shit scared, after a certain ex Doctor killed himself Mr Blunkett is looking for scapegoats,

he'll have a ferkin job !!!! 8l1nd :}

 

[derek kelly]

Ridicule is no excuse. You should do what is right. Take it further.

There was a time when I would have taken it further, but picture the scenario, this prisoner is deemed as 'at risk' I nick him for racist remarks, he gets seen by the Governer, later on decides to attempt to kill himself, big enquiry, who shall we put the blame on AH Yes Mr Kelly you should not have placed him on report, we hold you responsible, next thing job gone pension gone family devastated, I am doing what is right, what is right for me and my family, selfish maybe but they are the reason I go to work.

 

[derek kelly]

I heard that it was a prisoner from Strangeways who was awarded ?12,000 damages because he had hurt himself on barbed wire, broken glass, scaling a wall while trying to escape.

There have been several cases of inmates claiming damages from the prison service we had one a few years back fell over whilst playing volleyball on a brand new outdoor volleyball court broke his leg sued the prison got something like ?6,000 if memory serves, volleyball court was never used again

The Manchester one I never heard about but it does not surprise me

The one I quoted was reported on the teletext yesterday morning.

 

[ianrobbo1]

every sympathy with your plight Derek, :bow: what imho makes it worse is the twats in charge KNOW its wrong and they don't have the strength of character/balls to speak up,!! if enough keep "chipping" away at these damn stupid rules and "do gooders" things will change, hopefully!!

 

[derek kelly]

The problem is Ian we have a lot of young staff and promotion conscious staff who are shit scared of putting a foot wrong, management say jump they say how high they are like lap dogs always looking for praise, people would get a big shock if they really knew how prisons are run nowadays.

 

[skippy]

There was a time when I would have taken it further, but picture the scenario, this prisoner is deemed as 'at risk' I nick him for racist remarks, he gets seen by the Governer, later on decides to attempt to kill himself, big enquiry, who shall we put the blame on AH Yes Mr Kelly you should not have placed him on report, we hold you responsible, next thing job gone pension gone family devastated, I am doing what is right, what is right for me and my family, selfish maybe but they are the reason I go to work.

Why take offence Ned ? He doesn't know you so cant pass any credible judgement on you ............its just meaningless drivel

 

[derek kelly]

Skippy

I'm too long in the tooth to take offence these days, however it is a matter of discipline, there are things we are expected to do, but the regulations change that much we never know where we stand from one day to the next, at the end of the day all I can do is remain professional.

 

[skippy]

Skippy

I'm too long in the tooth to take offence these days, however it is a matter of discipline, there are things we are expected to do, but the regulations change that much we never know where we stand from one day to the next, at the end of the day all I can do is remain professional.

I know what you mean unfortunatly weak, corrupt and inept management runs from the corner store right up to the leadership of this country and way beyond there is not a whole lot you can do as an individual and there is no solidarity with the population anymore, thats why so many people are going of the rails these days.

 

[roXXo]

Derek

There was a time when I would have taken it further, but picture the scenario, this prisoner is deemed as 'at risk' I nick him for racist remarks, he gets seen by the Governer, later on decides to attempt to kill himself, big enquiry, who shall we put the blame on AH Yes Mr Kelly you should not have placed him on report, we hold you responsible, next thing job gone pension gone family devastated, I am doing what is right, what is right for me and my family, selfish maybe but they are the reason I go to work.

Are there not operating procedures stating what you do in certain situations?
I am sure that in such a responsible profession that has management and H & S systems in place you will not be held responsible. There is a hierachy, a chain of command and unless you have been negligent or not complied with operating procedures or standing orders you are not to blame. Your supervisor, his manager and the management are responsible. I don't believe you could be sacked Derek. If you don't beleive me, take a half hour free advice session from a solicitor. Are you a member of a union? They will give you free advice and put you in touch with a solicitor free of charge.
Some people do not think things through properly or fully understand their duties and responsibilities at work. There are plenty of untruths put about by barrack room lawyers and the ignorant take anecdotes as gospel. If you really want to do what is right check your modus operandi.
To remain professional you should be carrying out your duties impartially in the way you have been trained, following your operating procedures, responsibly and unless you have been personally negligent you have not got a problem. Revisit your operating procedures and if in doubt ask. Your supervisor and manager are there to help you to ensure the job is carried out properly. They all have responsibilities to do this.

 

[derek kelly]

when my eldest daughter was at school she was always getting into trouble, she wanted to be one of the pack, and was nearly expelled on three occasions, my wife and I tried everything, we were both literally brought to tears of frustration of how to handle her, I even took her to the local police station to try to frighten some sense into her, but all seemed to no avail,
A year before she was due to leave school we went to an open night and all the teachers had just about given up on her, her science teacher said the best grades she can expect in science are double f, my daughter ended up with double b her lowest gade was a d but she ended up with mostly A's and B's, she is now a PA to a company director, a couple of years ago we were discussing her childhood, and she said " do you know I tried everything to get you to hate me, but you never gave up on me, and when the teachers all gave me bad reports I could see the despair in your faces, thats when I decided to grow up" I was gobsmacked at her comments but I felt proud knowing that as parents we did everything that we could and it worked out in the end, I wonder how many parents of todays criminal population gave up on them

 

[roXXo]

I wonder how many parents of todays criminal population gave up on them

I am sure there were/are many. There will also be criminals from the most loving and devoted families. From the age of culpability, I am not sure what that is nowadays, somewhere around 10 years old when you are deemed to know right from wrong, unless you have mental problems. parents can be a shining example to their children, bring them up "correctly" but at the end of the day it is they the children that make the choice to behave criminally.
They can use all the excuses they like about having a deprived childhood but not all deprived chidren become criminals.