hi i know the bird is fast but ther is a timing retard eliminater for the hayabusha which cost 17 quid on ebay which gives the busa back its full power does ne 1 know if ther is sum thing similar for the bird or sumthing else which we can giv it back full power,am i correct that the bikes are restricted 2 186mph thx
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ianrobbo1
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welcome Rabmac, sorry, I know your in sunny Scotland, but I don't understand "text" here in the world of "grown ups" 
LOL we !!! well most of us attempt to spell correctly unlike the "chave's" that nowadays seem to speak as they text, ie badly, if you would be so kind as to translate your last post so i can understand it I would be most grateful!! :bow:
LOL we !!! well most of us attempt to spell correctly unlike the "chave's" that nowadays seem to speak as they text, ie badly, if you would be so kind as to translate your last post so i can understand it I would be most grateful!! :bow:
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R2B2
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Would be better off in the help section??
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hi ian i am asking if anyone knows of a device to get rid of the speed restriction on the blackbird i believe its limited too 186mph ,i know the hayabusa can get a " timing retard eliminater" which cost 17 pounds on ebay which gives the hayabusa back its full power ,earlier models of the hayabusa are not speed restricted they have full power but newer models of same bike are restricted too 186 same as blackbird,or is there an other way too derestrict the bird thx
hi ian i am asking if anyone knows of a device to get rid of the speed restriction on the blackbird i believe its limited too 186mph ,i know the hayabusa can get a " timing retard eliminater" which cost 17 pounds on ebay which gives the hayabusa back its full power ,earlier models of the hayabusa are not speed restricted they have full power but newer models of same bike are restricted too 186 same as blackbird,or is there an other way too derestrict the bird thx
ianrobbo1
good looking AND modest
Hiya Rabmac, glad you don't appear to have taken my comments to heart, :bow:
with regard the speed limiter on a bird I'm unaware of one being put on a GB model bird, top end in reality is about 176 184 depending on model and year, according to "our" bird Guru, Jaws, the very first ones, ie up to about six months after their launch were good for 184 the later injected ones are a tad slower and a little thirstier than the carbed models, the change year is 99 from carb to injection, we have a young man who runs www.blackbirdspares.co.uk and his bike has had "one or two" modifications done to it, and I am led to believe (I'm bloody sure) it can wrag the arse off any standard Busa, if you get in touch with him I'm certain he will put you right a lot more eloquently than I can, I think his web site {above} may have the "spec" of "the beast" :bow:
good luck on your search for more speed,!! :yo:
with regard the speed limiter on a bird I'm unaware of one being put on a GB model bird, top end in reality is about 176 184 depending on model and year, according to "our" bird Guru, Jaws, the very first ones, ie up to about six months after their launch were good for 184 the later injected ones are a tad slower and a little thirstier than the carbed models, the change year is 99 from carb to injection, we have a young man who runs www.blackbirdspares.co.uk and his bike has had "one or two"
modifications done to it, and I am led to believe (I'm bloody sure) it can wrag the arse off any standard Busa, if you get in touch with him I'm certain he will put you right a lot more eloquently than I can, I think his web site {above} may have the "spec" of "the beast" :bow: good luck on your search for more speed,!! :yo:
You can also get a low speed forum message stutter sometimes :m LOL :neenaw:
Hey..... where'd it go.....R#?
must have been a red un.......:bang:
Now where did I put those glasses :dunno:
must have been a red un.......:bang:
Now where did I put those glasses :dunno:
ianrobbo1 said:
Not without a Rec/Reg :neenaw: :f :}
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markyboy3
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yer right .
what do you lot know ,, everyone knows the titanium ones are faster than anything on earth ,heheehehehehehehehe
oh yer and dont forget carb better than inj ,lolol
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what do you lot know ,, everyone knows the titanium ones are faster than anything on earth ,heheehehehehehehehe
oh yer and dont forget carb better than inj ,lolol
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Adam Rickenberg
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Speaking of speed restrictions etc.......
Why is it that the older carbed models are slightly faster than the newer injected models?? :dunno:
Jaws!!!!!!!!!!! Speak up man!! You have the floor :bow:
Why is it that the older carbed models are slightly faster than the newer injected models?? :dunno:
Jaws!!!!!!!!!!! Speak up man!! You have the floor :bow:
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solorider
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one of the problems with fuel injection is it can only produce the power that the ecu allows it to do ,a carb bike doesnt have the same restrictions so in some conditions can produce more power hence speed,why are injected cars faster than carb cars ? that is easy most cars only had one carb and most cars had multi point injection hence more power,if you look around most tuners went for the carb route ,injection does have its limitations,only in the last few years has injection actually become better than one carb per cylinder and the blackbird doesnt have this system,part of the reason why the new gsxr1000 and fireblade goes as well as they doAdam Rickenberg said:
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bigjon
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I believe the timing retardation only applies to 1st and 2nd gears, and would not affect the top speed of the 'Busa. Dont think the 'Bird relies on retarding the timing, but not sure.
What about just a plain old "Retard Eliminator" I have several lumps of them in the back garden, measuring about 4"x2" and about 36"long. Always worked for me in eliminating RETARDS! :yo: :yo: :yo: :shooter:
What about just a plain old "Retard Eliminator" I have several lumps of them in the back garden, measuring about 4"x2" and about 36"long. Always worked for me in eliminating RETARDS! :yo: :yo: :yo: :shooter:
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Smoothandquick
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Not quite.....
The fuelling issue between carbs and injection (either single or multi point) is a bit more complex than that - with a carb you only have so many different graduations on the needle, so everything is a bit of a compromise.....with modern (and not so modern) ECU's, they will give the engine what it actually needs....you measure the amount of air being induced into the engine and fuel accordingly. The aim being to work as close to the ideal AFR as poss....by the very nature of doing this, you'll use more fuel, but will generally generate more torque from a given engine as you can map engine loads, throttle position etc more precisely. An engine can only generate so much power - regardless of carbs or injection. At wide open throttle you simply chuck enough fuel in to match the amount of air being sucked in. Two nominally identical engines will produce different power by the build tolerances of an engine. Injection also generates a cleaner running engine - granted the injection systems used on bikes is some way behind cars, but it's catching fast.
Bike throttle bodies are a nightmare to work with - the leak rates of the throttle discs within the bores are quite high - so it's difficult to get a steady idle with an air bypass system.....another reason they are behind cars !!
Jaws always reckons when you fit a power commander to go and get it dyno'd and properly mapped.....exactly right....
That's me done for the day !!!!!c7u8
The fuelling issue between carbs and injection (either single or multi point) is a bit more complex than that - with a carb you only have so many different graduations on the needle, so everything is a bit of a compromise.....with modern (and not so modern) ECU's, they will give the engine what it actually needs....you measure the amount of air being induced into the engine and fuel accordingly. The aim being to work as close to the ideal AFR as poss....by the very nature of doing this, you'll use more fuel, but will generally generate more torque from a given engine as you can map engine loads, throttle position etc more precisely. An engine can only generate so much power - regardless of carbs or injection. At wide open throttle you simply chuck enough fuel in to match the amount of air being sucked in. Two nominally identical engines will produce different power by the build tolerances of an engine. Injection also generates a cleaner running engine - granted the injection systems used on bikes is some way behind cars, but it's catching fast.
Bike throttle bodies are a nightmare to work with - the leak rates of the throttle discs within the bores are quite high - so it's difficult to get a steady idle with an air bypass system.....another reason they are behind cars !!
Jaws always reckons when you fit a power commander to go and get it dyno'd and properly mapped.....exactly right....
That's me done for the day !!!!!c7u8