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"safety" cameras are working

Wolfie

Is a lunp
Yeah like Fook!!!

A rigorous analysis of Government-published figures undertaken by the Association of British Drivers shows that since 1993, the significant reduction in broad-based road safety education and police road traffic patrols - in favour of revenue-generating speed cameras - has been accompanied by the loss of over 5000 lives to date.

The figures show that as the numbers of speed cameras soared from 1993 onwards, the downward trend in road deaths that had existed for decades was almost completely lost. Had the former trend (a year on year 6% decrease in fatalities) continued, about 5500 people that have died on the roads in the last decade would be alive today.

It is now widely accepted that the switch from traditional traffic patrols to policing by camera has caused problems on the roads. Drivers who would normally be looking for potential hazards now have to split their attention and concentrate on spotting speed cameras and watching their speedometers. At the same time uninsured, drunk and dangerous drivers now enjoy a greatly reduced chance of being apprehended as traffic police are switched to other duties. Further evidence of this is provided by the steady reduction in those apprehended for careless, dangerous and drunken driving from 232,000 in 1990 to 144,000 in 2000, a decrease of 37% in absolute terms, and a decrease of over 45% when increased traffic is allowed for.

A spokesman said "The figures are even worse than we had expected. Regrettably, they are quite clear and undeniable. I wouldn't want to be running one of the so-called Safety Camera Partnerships when this gets out".

The partnerships operate both the familiar roadside cameras and the increasingly unpopular "Talivans". The partnerships, made up of police, magistrates, and local councils, have always sought to justify their actions by claiming to save lives. The usual basis for this claim is that in locations where cameras are installed, the number of accidents reduces in the period immediately following their installation. What the partnerships invariably fail to acknowledge is that they place cameras at locations where there have been unusually high numbers of accidents in the three year period preceding the camera installation, and where accident numbers would probably have reduced by a simple process of chance. This effect is extremely well understood and is known to statisticians as "regression to the mean" - the tendency for unusually high numbers of crashes to occur from time to time but not to be repeated year in and year out.

These fatality figures will be a body blow to the statistical chicanery of the camera partnerships, removing the central plank of their justification and exposing its real cost in human lives.

ABD Chairman, Brian Gregory commented "This makes me so sad and angry. We have been warning for years that speed cameras make the roads more dangerous. How many more will have to die before we return to traditional and proven road safety values based on skills, individual responsibility and consideration? This speed camera madness must end right now"
 
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XXLarge

Guest
And I have absolutely no doubt that the voice of reason will be ignored by the powers that be. There are vested interests in maintaining the status quo and they are more powerful than the seemingly unimportant mission of saving lives.

Its hard to soar like eagles when we're ruled by turkeys.

Up the TPF
Power to the people

:bandit:
 

Murt

Letch
Nice one Wolfie

What location did you get it from.

( so I can use it in anti camera arguments )

Murt
 

Cruser

Registered User
Incredible

This country is so unbelievable sometimes :mad:

Any rational person with an ounce of intelligence knows damned well that speed cameras and in particular how they are used/placed has virtually fook all to do with saving lives. All the government/police want is to spend less on proper policing/law enforcement and earn more commission.

I have always maintained that speed cameras should only ever be used at true accident blackspots and high risk areas such as schools etc. and more traffic police should be used to tackle idiots on the road who are a real danger to themselves and others - even those that aren't breaking the speed limit.

If I ever won the lottery - after doing the usual holidays etc. - I would devote my time to getting all the evidence together that proves cameras are bollocks and fight to get them reduced.

Unfortunately, XXLarge is absolutely right in what he say's - other agenda's are at work - what the fook has common sense/safety/education/saving lives got to do with anything?? :bang: :bandit: :mad: :bang:
 

Punchy

Registered User
Where I live we have the absurd situation where the speed limit past a junior school is 30mph and 400 yards down the road where the side road joins the main road is a phased 20mph limit! i. e. its 30mph during the day but limited to 20mph when the kids are going to or leaving school but .....you can still LEGALLY do 30mph past the school gates.

Fookin madness

Punchy
 
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EX-XX

Guest
That's a good post!

While all of us know the speed cameras are a potent source of revenue to Government coffers (and little else), I haven't actually read a decent article proving it...until now.

If no-one objects, I'm going to post that blurb (with a link to the site it came from) on as many other vehicle-type forums as I can...
 

Wolfie

Is a lunp
everything i type is copyrighted by me:lol: :lol:

internet as far as i am concerned is all free information, no copywrites.

put it anywhere, in fact the more places the better.
 

Gatso shy

Registered User
Local (to me) stat's

Cameras 'are working' but death rate climbs (so that's ok then)

Speed cameras have cut the number of serious accidents and deaths on Oxfordshire's roads -- despite a leap in the number of fatalities this year.

That is the message of Thames Valley Safer Roads Partnership, which manages Oxfordshire's speed cameras on behalf of Thames Valley Police, the area's local authorities and the Crown Prosecution Service.

There have already been 44 fatalities resulting from crashes this year, compared with 26 in the same period last year. Most road deaths are in rural areas, but Oxfordshire County Council said there was no pattern.

The SRP said that in the 12 months to July 31, 29 people were killed or seriously injured within 500 metres of the county's camera sites. That compares with 37 for the same period in 2001-02 and 38 in 2000-01.

Spokesman Dan Campsall said: "A camera is at a site because it has an accident history and because we believe slowing people down, particularly at that location, will impact on road safety and the number of serious injuries.
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However, the partnership has revealed more serious accidents are occurring involving motorcyclists.


There were 113 killed or seriously injured in the 12 months to July 31 on Oxfordshire's roads. That compares with 92 in the same period in 2001-02


The total number of accidents in Thames Valley is falling. There were 11,825 in 2000-2001, 11,263 in 2001-02, and 10,598 in the year to April 1.
 
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Stealth Rider

Guest
Money making camera's

Worcester has seen spring come early this year with the sprouting of lovely grey flowers that flash every time you pass. The camera partnership who planted these beautiful bulbs said they chose the positions very carefully. At one point, (along side the river), during the winter when it floods one of these plants has matured. The partnership when asked to explain the position that this was planted replied that they needed a camera there because when the river floods they cannot get there camera vehicle along the road to film speeding vehicles. I am at a loss to explain if they cannot get there vehicle to the road, how are others going to do the same let alone speed ???????? :dunno:
Perfect example of revenue collection :bandit:
 

Supabird1100

Registered User
Re: Public Domain

Originally posted by lumpy
The internet is public domain and so are the images and words,

Mine are not. I wish it to be known I hold the copyright to any words and images that I post on the forum.:} :} :}
 

DB on CBR1100XX

Official BASH referee !
What about these uninsured parasites then...........

..................in addition to all the above, how do we feel about paying ?60 per policy to sub the bastids who won't/can't get insurance ??

How do we deal with it ? Especially with less traffic plod about. The standard of driving is being driven down [sic] by over zealous surveillance by robot and the anarchy that is now prevalent due to the removal of PROPER discretionary policing.............Who suffers in the end ?? [Rhetorical]
 

ianrobbo1

good looking AND modest
ref db's last post

:bow: concerning the un insured,
I never thought I'd say this but here goes,
bring back more police patrols,
it is the ONLY way of reducing the un insured/drunk drivers/bad/inattentive driver/rider, although I wouldnt be ''happy'' with being ''pulled'' for say speeding for example, it would still be preferable to ''the flash',' the bobby can and even nowdays does use his ''judgement'', and while I still belive ''A few miles per hour over the speed limit'' in the wrong place should be stopped, I think there should be a priority system in place, that common sense dictates violent crime/burglary/theft of and from vehicles etc should all be addressed in the right order,
if the ''takings'' from speed cameras were used to suppliment the fight against crime in other areas we ''may'' take a slightly different veiw on them, but as things stand at the moment I'm all for captain Gatso and what his crowd are doing,
just my thoughts on the subject.:dunno:
 
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