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I'm sure I read that the film had changed the name to 'Digger' 
It's history. Y'know...real actual history involving real actual people who made a difference when it counted.
History is important. It defines who we are, what we've done in the past and it helps us do better in the future by learning from our past mistakes. Hopefully.
I'm an ex RAF gunner and even we dumb grunts were taught this stuff as it's an important part of the history of the Air Force. I'm feckin' outraged that the RAF headshed have decided to pander to some lefty twats in Whitehall who've only just become become "offended" by something that really happened 75+ years ago.
What next...the RN to drop The Battle of Trafalgar in case it upsets the Frogs....? Or the Army to drop The Battle of Rorkes Drift in case it upsets the Zulus..?
"innocent families" who were supporting a regime who were putting thousands of people to death for being different to those in power ?
……………. eg exactly what the BLM twats are making out is happening to them, can we set up a big rally for blm fuckwits below a massive dam & have a re run? ……. please …………….pretty please Errrrrm..A regime that made anyone dissapear if you did not show support and allegiance to a reigning world dictatoring madman. Don't think they had much choice.
Approx 1,600 civilians died– 600 Germans and 1,000 mainly Soviet forced labourers.
You can't have a re-run/rally cause all the bomber crews are dead or their pilot license has expired and it's limited flying time for the remaining lancasters.
Approx 1,600 civilians died– 600 Germans and 1,000 mainly Soviet forced labourers.
You can't have a re-run/rally cause all the bomber crews are dead or their pilot license has expired and it's limited flying time for the remaining lancasters.
Errrrrm..A regime that made anyone dissapear if you did not show support and allegiance to a reigning world dictatoring madman. Don't think they had much choice.
Approx 1,600 civilians died– 600 Germans and 1,000 mainly Soviet forced labourers.
You can't have a re-run/rally cause all the bomber crews are dead or their pilot license has expired and it's limited flying time for the remaining lancasters.
I have to disagree with the first part of that mate, you always have a choice its just having the balls to make the right one that was lacking in the german sheeple at the time
if you don't fight it you are supporting it ...simples!On the second part its modern times so modern equipment is required to sort a modern problem
It's called total war. You don't just attack the opposition's armed forces, you attack the infrastructure, industry and anything significant that helps the enemy's war effort.Errrrrm..A regime that made anyone dissapear if you did not show support and allegiance to a reigning world dictatoring madman. Don't think they had much choice.
Approx 1,600 civilians died– 600 Germans and 1,000 mainly Soviet forced labourers.
You can't have a re-run/rally cause all the bomber crews are dead or their pilot license has expired and it's limited flying time for the remaining lancasters.
Nice it is not, but let's remember.... they were first to attack innocent civilians by bombing cities in Blighty (and don't forget what they did to the populations of other European countries before they set their sights on us).
I remember watching a BBC documentary on the bombing of Dresden. As expected, the Beeb gave ample coverage to elderly Germans whining about the "atrocity", but made no mention whatsoever of the numerous atrocities perpetrated by Germans in the previous years of the war.
As Bomber Harris said, "sow the wind, reap the whirlwind".
Hitler and Nazism was the spark that ignited an inevitable uprising traced back to 'Armistice' and subsequent reparations.
A little more reflection by the 'victors' of WW1 at the time may well have avoided WW2.
If you drive anyone into a corner and treat them like crap they will eventually come out fighting.
A little more reflection by the 'victors' of WW1 at the time may well have avoided WW2.
If you drive anyone into a corner and treat them like crap they will eventually come out fighting.
Sorry, but I KNOW for def. an awful lot of the German people never did and never have supported the Nazi regimeI have to disagree with the first part of that mate, you always have a choice its just having the balls to make the right one that was lacking in the german sheeple at the time
On the second part its modern times so modern equipment is required to sort a modern problem
What a lot of folk miss is the difference between being patriotic and being partisan
For instance, how many brits thought the likes of Blare or Thatcher et al were little short of the devil incarnate ?
Yet they were still proud to call them selves brits
Sadly there were many many people killed when the dams were breached, BUT, ( and I do not say this lightly ) that is the nature of war..
During the blitz thousands of civilians were killed..
I am not a pacifist as such, but do believe war is only good for two things.. Making some people rich, and thinning the population
50 years after most wars things go full cycle
I see what you are saying John but sorry I cant agree fully, Germans I know or have met who are wiling to discuss the war are all rightfully ashamed of what their countrymen did even though we all know it wasn't the fault of the current generation
I understand being patriotic but cant see how people at the time could claim they didn't know what was going on so to my mind that is tantamount to supporting the regime of the time, lets face it anyone living under Nazi rule Must have known something was wrong once mass "relocations" began but very few tried to find out exactly what was happening & even fewer tried to do anything about it (there are a few notable brave exceptions)
Put it another way if all of any section of our society began to be forced from their homes today wouldn't you wonder why ? wouldn't you know it was impossible for them to be relocated & wouldn't you hear about a death camp just outside your home town ……… sorry it does not wash that germans of the time didn't know about the murder of great swathes of their own population ……………… so they sat back & did nothing its not something I or you would be able to do i'm sure
I've often wondered why apparently a whole nation could be complicit in such horrors. I can only put it down to the rigid, martial nature of German society from the mid 1800s and during first half of the 20th century.
That and, as Beaker mentioned, a perfect storm of circumstances coming together.
We spend a fair amount of time in Germany and spend weeks with German friends,, It always amazes me when you talk to the really old people how little they did know of what went on at the time. and those that did do not seem to have one good word for what Hitler and his gang did
If you examine the rise of Hitler it is quickly obvious he was not only VERY clever and good at manipulating the masses, but certainly for the first few years why the prols followed him so ardently .. It was only when he gained full power over Germany and was able to use radio to talk to the masses his intentions were revealed and by that time the masses were almost brain washed in to his ( and his cronies ) way of thinking
What is often not mentioned is the thousands who deserted the armed forces once the 'final solution' became known more widely
As a by the by, being a holocaust denier is a big crime in Germany carrying a prison sentence
Interestingly the maximum tariff in Germany is less than in Austria.. The lesser being 6 months while in Austria it is 5 years
Maybe because Hitler was Austrian..?
What is often overlooked is that German children were indoctrinated from a very young age from the early 1930s via Hitler Youth and the female equivalent. Membership was mandatory. In a country with a desperate economic situation and little prospects for prosperity these organisations were seen by most as a wonderful thing. Sadly the sinister side wasn't part of that thinking as it wasn't obvious. This coupled with massive public spending that they couldn't afford but gave high employment rates and a feeling of being 'done wrong', which Adolf was big on, made Adolf a very popular chap.
As I said, if you strip anyone of hope they will come out fighting eventually.
I have only been to Cologne in Germany. The only sign of WW2 there were a few photos of the Allied bombing that killed tens of thousands in Cologne at the train station and many memorials to The Holocaust.
As I said, if you strip anyone of hope they will come out fighting eventually.
I have only been to Cologne in Germany. The only sign of WW2 there were a few photos of the Allied bombing that killed tens of thousands in Cologne at the train station and many memorials to The Holocaust.
We have travelled Germany extensively, from Spandau on the outskirt of Berlin, to 'the dams' to north west Germany where my father was a POW from 1939 ( he was on the first merchant ship in the Indian Ocean to fall foul of a wolf ship ) up to Augsburg and Munich
It took just a couple of months to rebuild the Sorpe dam ( I think it was the Sorpe but I failed to log it for some reason ... it could have been the Mohne )
I have to disagree with the first part of that mate, you always have a choice its just having the balls to make the right one that was lacking in the german sheeple at the time
On the second part its modern times so modern equipment is required to sort a modern problem
You only had two choices...either die fighting for the very clever looney or die in a labour camp.
Hitler was not opposed to the idea of murdering anyone who'm he thought had either committed
treason or refused to accept his role as leader of Germany. 'Night of the long knives' anyone?
Still, it could have been worse..Hitler wasn't a patch on Stalin's tally.
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So you are never going to agree with the jumped up little twerp & were probably going to die one way or another anyway so why not die fighting the bastards …………….. which is exactly the point I made before, the whole nation was to scared to stand up to him & his cronies
Its all well & good saying they didn't know, I call bullshit on that one, they knew before very long but didn't depose the bastard, string the lot of them up & lead a peaceful life, no the fully supported their actions through deeds or simply ignoring the whole thing
Question, if something similar were to begin to happen here where would you be hiding or fighting to stop it? I know 100% which side I would be on, pass the cheesewire & the shotgun
So you are never going to agree with the jumped up little twerp & were probably going to die one way or another anyway so why not die fighting the bastards …………….. which is exactly the point I made before, the whole nation was to scared to stand up to him & his cronies
Its all well & good saying they didn't know, I call bullshit on that one, they knew before very long but didn't depose the bastard, string the lot of them up & lead a peaceful life, no the fully supported their actions through deeds or simply ignoring the whole thing
Question, if something similar were to begin to happen here where would you be hiding or fighting to stop it? I know 100% which side I would be on, pass the cheesewire & the shotgun
I think it's happening now..it's called covid19, but ALL the looney world leaders are in on it.