Awkward barstewards just for the sake of it as usual, its not like they have a great track record of keeping other nationals out of the fecking place is it ?
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It was announced about 2 weeks ago mate.. It is the reason I had to cancel our winter trip
Just popped up on my news feed and thought it was worth mentioning mate, didn't know it happened a while ago
Sorry but it's not actually true.
Various French ministries have a habit of introducing new "rules" which are then hastily withdrawn.
This is what happened here.
Various French ministries have a habit of introducing new "rules" which are then hastily withdrawn.
This is what happened here.
Sue them!!!
How many times…don’t let the facts get in the way….clear off to another forum if you want facts.
Are you saying you believe people can transit France from the UK ?
Not quite, the story was about peeps transiting France to their residence elsewhere in Europe.
Eurostar (in particular) interpreted a French direction as meaning UK citizens couldn't transit on their way to their permanent residence in Europe other than France. They started turning people away and making statements on social media.
That was clarified by the French as being incorrect, UK citizens can transit France when going to their permanent residence elsewhere in Europe.
If they are registered as resident in France again UK citizens can travel.
As an extra qualification, the rule didn't just apply to UK citizens.
A prominent Belgian also complained about being affected by it.
The French only allow travel for "essential" reasons. Don't forget they enforced from an early stage the need to have papers authorising travel for their own citizens internally.
A prominent Belgian also complained about being affected by it.
The French only allow travel for "essential" reasons. Don't forget they enforced from an early stage the need to have papers authorising travel for their own citizens internally.
As that reads you can only travel through France to and from a permanent residence elsewhere which kind of stuffs up camper van bods such as jaws who would like to go there for some strange reason
Wonder if Le Frogs would like to apply the same rules to migrants traveling through to get here? nah probably not
Bottom line is, I, and thousands like me, are stuffed
A couple I know were in Portugal but have a house in Germany
Two days ago they were refused entry in to France to get home to Germany, while the German couple they were traveling with were allowed access
I have no doubt they will find a way as they are a resourceful couple but at the moment they are in limbo
There is also the 90 day rule to consider ... Are the authorities going to be flexible if you had a passage booked but are unable to return to the UK ?
Representatives of Spain, Italy, Germany and no doubt other countries are banging on Macrons door demanding UK citizens be allowed to transit home.. so far they are being met with stony silence
I’m sure it will get sorted as a) it doesn’t really benefit anyone from what I can see? Not even the French who surely want people,passing through and,spending money? And b) nobody seems to really understand it.
In the meantime no doubt the cost of crossings from the uk to countries other than France will go through the roof….
The cost has risen but not terribly..
The French are really pissed off with Macron and he knows full well that he will be out on his ear later this year
The ruling came direct from his office and not, as earlier rules did, from the office of welfare
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Anyone can travel through France to their home elsewhere.
For a couple of days only, a missinterptatation of a "Clarification"!!! Caused confusion.
The French have made it perfectly clear that folks returning home (for example after Christmas /New Year) can certainly travel through France.
Euro tunnel were responsible for most of the confusion as I understand they were the first body to misunderstand & issued an instruction together with social media stuff.
This took off like wildfire and other organisations instead of checking for themselves followed their lead.
This was not about UK citizens or being mean to us!!
The French have been equally restrictive at time with their own internal travel. When they (like us) were in lock down they required their own citizens to get permission to travel about - we didn't!
I'm told by a friend in aviation who lives there that it's quite common for various officials/departments to put their own interpretation on something which is at odds with what the actual rule/law says.
Sometimes that's deliberate to cause a political diruption/embarrassment - local mayor with opposing views to regional area.
Don't forget that they have a completely opposite approach to rules than the uk system.
Here the approach is we more or less do as we wish unless it's specifically prohibited.
In the rest of Europe the approach is you can only do something if its specifically permitted.
That "permission" is usually just fairly brief outline stuff with courts and departments interpreting what it means in practice.
It's one of the reasons a lot of brief EU rules/laws caused so much angst here - the British obsession with crossing T's & dotting I's resulted in reams of (what to the rest of Europe) pointless UK law to implement something and stop an easy change if it didn't work as intended.
In this case there was an unintended impact from a rule - it didn't require a recall of the French parliament/change of law - just a quick clarification to resolve it.
Which system seems the most flexible and pragmatic?
For a couple of days only, a missinterptatation of a "Clarification"!!! Caused confusion.
The French have made it perfectly clear that folks returning home (for example after Christmas /New Year) can certainly travel through France.
Euro tunnel were responsible for most of the confusion as I understand they were the first body to misunderstand & issued an instruction together with social media stuff.
This took off like wildfire and other organisations instead of checking for themselves followed their lead.
This was not about UK citizens or being mean to us!!
The French have been equally restrictive at time with their own internal travel. When they (like us) were in lock down they required their own citizens to get permission to travel about - we didn't!
I'm told by a friend in aviation who lives there that it's quite common for various officials/departments to put their own interpretation on something which is at odds with what the actual rule/law says.
Sometimes that's deliberate to cause a political diruption/embarrassment - local mayor with opposing views to regional area.
Don't forget that they have a completely opposite approach to rules than the uk system.
Here the approach is we more or less do as we wish unless it's specifically prohibited.
In the rest of Europe the approach is you can only do something if its specifically permitted.
That "permission" is usually just fairly brief outline stuff with courts and departments interpreting what it means in practice.
It's one of the reasons a lot of brief EU rules/laws caused so much angst here - the British obsession with crossing T's & dotting I's resulted in reams of (what to the rest of Europe) pointless UK law to implement something and stop an easy change if it didn't work as intended.
In this case there was an unintended impact from a rule - it didn't require a recall of the French parliament/change of law - just a quick clarification to resolve it.
Which system seems the most flexible and pragmatic?
There you go again reporting facts.
Yeah.....think you got those the wrong way round.