Improve Braking

[Trumpet]

Back on track ...

In an emegency you need to stomp on the REAR as well as crunch the front to get maximum braking. If goes against my instincts.. Well done Honda ! Delinking is the only option if you are a braking god. For the rest of us Mr Honda thinks it's safer to link them.

 

[Duck n Dive]

Hey lumps .... what are these Piazza levers they sound coooolllllll....


Do you get sit around them on warm balmy evenings, chillin out and relaxing with a carafe of wine???

I think I like these levers already .................




Will it help my braking if I de-link the brakes on my car???

 

[R2B2]

The M/C is rarely up graded but it improves the overall braking by as much again as the hoses and pads..
mainly due to finer tolerances used in there manufacture etc etc.. Fact

If you're talking about changes in hydraulic force to improve braking power then surely it's a question of ratios (hydraulic area) rather than tolerances...?

If the fluid is not coming past the seal then the bore tolerance is mainly irrelevant in this analysis...?

 

[Oldbull]

If you're talking about changes in hydraulic force to improve braking power then surely it's a question of ratios (hydraulic area) rather than tolerances...?

Nope, were not Rob

If the fluid is not coming past the seal then the bore tolerance is mainly irrelevant in this analysis...?

quite true Rob.. but the poor tolerances will reduce the margin for error significantly and could, and do, cause the seals to easily fail.. Now for something as important as brakes I would have thought the tolerances would be improved. Do you have an upgraded M/C fitted to your bike Rob ?? can I assume you are talking from experience as well ??

I personally dont mind the linked set up for what I use the Bird for Lumps, but even in its standard guise the front brakes would be/ are improved greatly by fitting an upgraded M/C

I quite like the system. Nearly everyone just thinks it's better to delink

I must agree with the braking Gods tho, the linked set up is designed more for the novice type rider ... few more years in the saddle fella's and you mite be allowed into the inters ... providing you dont use OEM brakes of course...


KAFA's lol p0pc0rn41p0pc0rn41

 

[R2B2]

Do you have an upgraded M/C fitted to your bike Rob ??

No, standard m/c. Brakes are de-linked and all six pistons on the front are being used.

 

[Oldbull]

If you get the chance Rob, try a 19mm Brembo on your set up mate, I know you will be very pleased especially now that you have linked the calliper pistons.. They retail around the ?160 mark new but you do see the odd used one for sale at under a ton .. I asume youve put the braided hoses on as well ..

This is the 19mm/20 one I had on my TL, the 20 is the span to the lever measurement.. You would need a pressure switch tho for the lights but they are no problem..

For the rest of us Mr Honda thinks it's safer to link them.

nothing wrong with the linked system Trumpet, you do not have to de link to improve on what youve got tho, thats what the thread is all about. Not just delinking..

That's cos he's comparing a billet race cylinder to an OEM unit. The same can be said for the suspension, tyres, etc. My point is that STANDARD Brembo equipment is no better or worse than OEM.

Lumps, thats what we have been on about from the begining, theres only you going on about the standard non billet stuff .. BTW the billet is not just for race bike either ie 'billet race cylinder' .. you can put them on any bike you like ..


Advantage OB... service over

 

[R2B2]

I played around with the idea of a 19mm Brembo m/c some time ago but tbh I've found the standard one to be ok. There is a bit more travel on the lever when driving all six pistons but the stopping power is not at all shabby!

Maybe if you were really pushing track times and wanted very short lever movements and mega-instantaneous braking then I think the Brembo would def be the way to go, but otherwise it seems good enough to me :dunno:

 

[ericonblackbird]

Don't know if this will be an 'improvement' but this is the current front brake set up on the Duck!

 

[Oldbull]

I played around with the idea of a 19mm Brembo m/c some time ago but tbh I've found the standard one to be ok. There is a bit more travel on the lever when driving all six pistons but the stopping power is not at all shabby!

Maybe if you were really pushing track times and wanted very short lever movements and mega-instantaneous braking then I think the Brembo would def be the way to go, but otherwise it seems good enough to me :dunno:

Cant argue with that that Rob.. if your happy with it thats all that matters,

these replys are intended for the peeps that arent tho m8 :-0)

Id still try one tho pal if you ever get the chance pal.

Don't know if this will be an 'improvement' but this is the current front brake set up on the Duck!

very nice Eric... think you will notice a 'slight' improvent mate