• Welcome to the new B.I.R.D. Forum. Please be sure to read the "New Member / New Registered ? Please Read" thread in the Coffee Shop. This contains some important information. To become a full member ( £5.90 a year ) simply click on your user name near the top on the right I hope you enjoy the new site ................ Jaws ( John )

IMPORTANT WARNING - Don't buy one of these.

PsychoBikerBen

Psychotic Artworker. RIP
Sold secure?
I laughed when I saw how bad this disk lock was.

The maker of this clip wrote ->

"There has been a rash of video link sending over the last few days regarding the incredible ease with which round keyed padlocks can be breeched. Now I have thought long and hard about this and I think it's safe to say that most pikeys and bike thieves know about this and I think it's about time we knew they know if you see what I mean. We need to understand that these things are worse than useless.

Just watch the vid, this is me in my room at 2:45am seeing if the rumours are true. They are. If I were you, I'd seriously consider binning that Kraptonite or round keyed Oxford lock because it's gonna cost you your bike. Oh, the blue thing in the vid is a pen, 30p. So much for Sold Secure, always said they were dodgy."

SO IF ANY OF YOU GUYS OWN ONE OF THESE.....GET SHOT OF IT

Right click, save target as etc...

http://www.zanx.net/soldsecuremyarse.wmv
 

Fat Bert

Registered User
Bloody Hell

Makes you wonder?

Thanks for the info Ben

Perhaps Oxford should do a "product withdrawl" on these locks?

Anyone gotta a felt tip pen I can borrow?
 
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frenchuk

Guest
No no no, it's brilliant! When you loose your key, just borrow a pen, and you're not stranded!
 

Fat Bert

Registered User
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Close your eyes and just listen to the sound track

What does it sound like?

Coffee all over the place now
 
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frenchuk

Guest
Bert you definitely are a strange man closing your eyes when watching a video... Mac look at the vid again, the tip of the pen looks standard to me... plus if you can open it with plastic it's crap anyway since you would just need to pour liquid resin in it, wait for it to dry and solify, then bingo... in other words, it's crap.
 
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frenchuk

Guest
Mac, of course it would not, but it could in a parallel world - lateral thinking Mac, lateral thinking!
 

PsychoBikerBen

Psychotic Artworker. RIP
lumpy said:
Is it not feasible he could have modified the pen to suit with the key as a standard. Then yes it would be easy cos the pen is just like a plastic version of the key. The springs and levers still need to be pushed to the right place to open the lock.

I reckon the pen was modified using the key as the template.

IMHO that is.

Have just posted this warning on the VFR site and guess what?
A guy on their forum (OneWheelZNuff) has just been to try it->

Hi all,

What with me being a cynical old git, I couldn't believe this, so I've just nipped into my garage with a selection of pens to have a go....

...I'm not quite so cynical any more! A coupla minutes getting the right sized pen, a quick turn or 2, and my Kryptonite disc lock is open.

How can the manufacturers justify fitting these lock mechanisms, where do I claim my refund, and what sort of lock do I get now??
 

Bob Pinder

Registered User
Maybe it could in a psychotic drug induced world................or France?

Isnt this one and the same place :dunno:
 

AV8TOR

Sponsor
:xm :xm :xm It never worked for me now we have a pile of duff pens.
Still if this is true??? it only goes to prove
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THE PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SOWDSECURE :bow: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Amsterdam

Guest
Aaaarrrggghhhhhh!!!!

You guessed it, bought one from Maccess two weeks ago :B

Ah well, thx for the infoanyway m8, rather bin the lock than loose the bike :k

Tempted to ring Oxford and demand me hard earned back - twats :bandit:

Amsters
 
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Odie

Guest
Hi Folks,
I've just bimbled in from the VFR forum. w;;v

It would seem this can be done on any of the circular (barrel shaped key) locks. I've opened an Oxford Junior disc lock, which is not Sold Secure, and a Honda u-lock with the plastic cap to a small dental brush and the body of an old pen. :eek: Believe me, it was easy and only took about 10 seconds, I didn't have to file or cut anything to match the key print. I couldn't do it with one of the hard bodied biros, bit anything with a slightly softer body, polythene type plastic?, and the right diameter works. I reckon the slightly softer material can wrap itself round the small pins you can see and so makes itself into a key. :bang: The pen that works best to open these locks seems to be the Papermate Flexgrip.

I've e-mailed Liisa Steele :lick: :k at RiDE magazine and they seem interested. In the meantime, it looks like it's time to buy an Abus.

If anyone wants to check the progress of this in Vifferland then click on this link:- http://www.bikersoracle.com/vfr/forum/showthread.php?t=35525
Righty ho, time for the pipe and slippers again, off back to the VFR forum, bye everyone.
 

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Supabird1100

Registered User
It does make you wonder about RiDE's product testing, doesn't it ?? In the last test they did of disc locks the 'expert' took longer to get through the circular key type locks than the bloke in the video took using a pen !!!!! :eek:
 
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trophychap

Guest
Ride Magazine

As I buy this magazine every month earlier this year I took out an annual subscription, as an inducement to do this they were offering a (quality) disc lock.

Nice letter of thanks from them for taking out same and please find enclosed your disc lock, unfortunately we do not have the one we advertised as a tempter to pay an annual subscription, so please accept this one instead.

Two months later guess what? a review of disc locks, but we are not including any of the round key type locks as they are too easy to open!!!

Anyone care to guess which Oxford product Ride Magazine sent me???

Sold Secure, more like sold a pup methinks
 

Supabird1100

Registered User
Clive said:
. Anybody recognise which Oxford product it is in the video?

Definitely looks like the Magnum lock to me Clive. The one with the '7 pin high security locking cylinder' !!!!! :rolleyes:
 

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mikew

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"Breakin News"

Just seen this, which kinda backs up everything that has already been posted .......




""Saturday September 18, 04:38 AM

Pen picks mighty Kryptonite lock
By Adam Tanner

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The leading U.S. maker of bicycle locks will replace some of its U-shaped locks after word spread that an ordinary pen could pick what had been thought to be some of its toughest locks.

Kryptonite, a division of Ingersoll-Rand Ltd, made the announcement on Friday as stunned cyclists learned that simply putting the back end of a plastic pen into the circular barrel of the lock and turning could open the high-security locks.

A recall of the flawed U-shaped locks -- a necessity for urban cyclists nationwide -- could cost tens of millions of dollars, industry experts said.

"I assumed it was a hoax myself but, unfortunately, a couple of us have done it here in the office with our locks," said Leah Shahum, director of the San Francisco Bicycle Coalition.

Kryptonite in Canton, Massachusetts is so confident of its products that it offers to replace stolen bicycles if its locks are broken. Their new lock replacement offer is only valid for some models bought after September 2002.

"This is not just a Kryptonite concern," spokeswoman Donna Tucci said. "Anything with a tubular cylinder could be a concern including vending machines, coin-operated machines, other security products."

Word of the flaw spread after a San Francisco cyclist posted an Internet message earlier this week. "Everybody pretty much knows and they're all freaked out," said Simone White, a salesman at Pacific Bicycle in San Francisco.

Some suspect that criminals figured out the trick earlier.

"We've definitely heard of an increase of reported bike thefts over the last three months or so," said Shahum.

NEED TO ACT FAST

A spokeswoman for Ingersoll-Rand said Kryptonite accounted for less than 1 percent of the firm's 2003 sales of nearly $10 billion (5.6 billion pounds). Business experts said Kryptonite had to act quickly.

"Conceivably what could happen is that if consumers did not know about this and lost their bikes, then they would hold the company accountable," said Pradeep Chintagunta, a marketing professor at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business. "Would you rather be accountable for the value of the lock or the value of the bike?"

As a warning example he cited the bruised damage in 1994 that computer chip maker Intel suffered following its slow reaction to news of processing flaws in its Pentium chips.

Dan Dacko, general manager of Planet Bike in Madison Wisconsin, said his firm, a smaller player in the U-lock market, was developing a plan to replace defective locks. But he did not know whether it would charge for such a recall.

"For a company of our size, it could be devastating," he said, adding that he had just received a shipment of thousands of the vulnerable locks.

He said the problem would likely affect European cyclists and firms, as well as Asian manufacturers.
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Wheres' me ABUS catalgue ........ :eek:
 
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Tom

Guest
I also tried this and was able to open my lock within seconds. It was one of the same Oxford ones.

So I also tried it with another lock, same barrel but a different manufacturer and design, and yep it opened straight away. So it's definitely not just the Oxford ones.

It seems that the pen hes to be one made of softer plastic, i.e. not your typical bic pen. Once you out it in the lock and apply some pressure it moulds to the correct shape necessary to open the lock.

Tom.
 
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frenchuk

Guest
tom said:
It seems that the penis hes to be one made of softer plastic, i.e. not your typical bic penis. Once you out it in the lock and apply some pressure it moulds to the correct shape necessary to open the lock. Tom.
A technique that is very efficient when applied correctly
 
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