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[Wolfie]

let 'im get on with it for fooks sakes.....Me blood pressure is starting to rise....


bl4hbl4h

get on with what??

all i was saying was the truth.

As for the speed question.

BIKE mag tested the New improved IF version in 1999 and they could only reach 162mph down the strip, they were not happy with it and tried again and again even brought in another bike still only 164mph, where two weeks before the test the same rider had down 188mph on a stock carb bird of 1997 vintage.

it is no good looking at usa and ozzie sites for performance issues their air, petrol, surfaces, temp, are all different to ours.

 

[Murt]

Got to say that having ridden both carbed and injection Birds (and having a 97 carbed now) I don't have any feeling of the 'flat spot' and they both ride the same.
I have never had my bird flat out so can't comment on the top end of either model. (How many have... be honest?)
Back ends are back ends... you don't look at them when riding the thing.

Had a problem with the carbs when I first got the bird in 2002, that was down to some crap fuel, and the clean was paid for by the petrol station.
No problems since.

Were it not for the choke lever on the carbed model, I bet not many people would notice the difference in normal riding conditions.

Just my thoughts.
Murt.

 

[Wolfie]

Got to say that having ridden both carbed and injection Birds (and having a 97 carbed now) I don't have any feeling of the 'flat spot' and they both ride the same.
I have never had my bird flat out so can't comment on the top end of either model. (How many have... be honest?)
Back ends are back ends... you don't look at them when riding the thing.

Had a problem with the carbs when I first got the bird in 2002, that was down to some crap fuel, and the clean was paid for by the petrol station.
No problems since.

Were it not for the choke lever on the carbed model, I bet not many people would notice the difference in normal riding conditions.

Just my thoughts.
Murt.

feckin ell what a boring response , feck man get off the fence and say one is shit or something, we need fire passion soul destroying fights with satan himself to bring forth the right and might of carb bird to keep its place above the IF birds, the young pretenders must be put down into their place

 

[Saffie]

It wasn't MY eyesight that was in question here

Realised that and you also made it clear that you think I have bad taste..hence the question of you trying to come on to me:-0)

 

[Smix]

Sorry AB - forgot to mention that there are a load of arguementative nutters in here!!!!!!!!

But there's good info in amoungst the chatter if you look for it

:-0)

 

[Wolfie]

Sorry AB - forgot to mention that there are a load of arguementative nutters in here!!!!!!!!

But there's good info in amoungst the chatter if you look for it

:-0)

agree their , for the correct info look for lumpys, jaws, and mine threads the rest are mainly just pissing in the wind or wanker over the thier pictures of me that lumpy gave to them.

PS ignore gypsys thread he stole them from somebody else.

 

[andyBeaker]

Well, what a load of ill infomed testicles in parts of this thread.

I did over 100k on a 98 carb and am now riding an 03 FI. The FI feels more refined/turbine like, quieter (despite aftermarket cans) but strangely not as smooth at low speed as the carb. PowerCommander has been fitted and made a big improvement to flexibility of FI but temporarily removed awaiting proper rolling road set up. I would say that the FI is more deceptive in it's power delivery than the carb, which feels a bit more 'instant'.

Either way, if anyone short of a GP rider (or an even better standard of rider - the total up their own arses mag testers:wankreally feels a 'flat spot' anywhere on the road then a) their bike needs attention or b) they are lying.h1d1ng2

 

[abusivemonk]

Well thanks for all the info. I've only been riding a year on a carbed Fazer 600 so I don't suppose I'd notice the difference on either Blackbird. To me they'll probably both feel fast. (Only as fast as my wrist allows them mind).

Anyway, I've plumped for a 1999 FI Bird. Done 23000 and it's blue (i love the colour). Got it from a Dealers in Cumbria. Tad expensive but they gave me a great trade in value for mine. With a bit of luck (i.e my replacement V5 coming through the post) I should be picking it up on Saturday.

Hope I like it and am not too disappointed I didn't buy a carbed Bird b0x2

 

[Saffie]

Its blue you cant go wrong with blue

 

[Murt]

feckin ell what a boring response , feck man get off the fence and say one is shit or something, we need fire passion soul destroying fights with satan himself to bring forth the right and might of carb bird to keep its place above the IF birds, the young pretenders must be put down into their place

Sorry Mate, was just after I had eaten, and I was feeling in a good mood.

So... Carbed is best. They are refined, Comfy, Economical, and fasterist, nothing can beat them and only proper MEN (And gorgeous women do or did) ride them.

The FI is total shite, They self implode, rust, and give you nasty diseases.
They electrocute your kids, run over little wabbits, and if you ever buy one I will kill you.

Is that better?

Murt.

 

[Saffie]

Sorry Mate, was just after I had eaten, and I was feeling in a good mood.

So... Carbed is best. They are refined, Comfy, Economical, and fasterist, nothing can beat them and only proper MEN (And gorgeous women do or did) ride them.

The FI is total shite, They self implode, rust, and give you nasty diseases.
They electrocute your kids, run over little wabbits, and if you ever buy one I will kill you.

Is that better?

Murt.

So is that a no for FI then

 

[Wolfie]

Sorry Mate, was just after I had eaten, and I was feeling in a good mood.

So... Carbed is best. They are refined, Comfy, Economical, and fasterist, nothing can beat them and only proper MEN (And gorgeous women do or did) ride them.

The FI is total shite, They self implode, rust, and give you nasty diseases.
They electrocute your kids, run over little wabbits, and if you ever buy one I will kill you.

Is that better?

Murt.

you forgot they also eat copper, piss fuel, kill cats and get beaten by snails who are carry two very heavy shopping bags of salt to kill the slugs who have moved into their hood:bow:

 

[Jaws]

Saffie,,, no idea WHAT you are basing your info on mate, but the carb bikes are considerably quicker than all the EFI models ( and the later the EFi model the slower it is ) and will deliver far and away better MPG

That is not conjecture, guesswork, seat of the pants dyno, but 14 years of playing exclusively with Birds.

The upside of an EFI is the fueling is more forgiving if you start messing around with downpipes ( cans are never an issue but down pipes.. Sucks air in over teeth ! )

And of course in the numberplate stakes ( and it still amazes me how many people this involves ) where it is ALL about year of vehicle rather than anything else, you are never going to score points over a newer bike

Whilst both types are excellent all rounders, I sold my two injection models and bought a carb one.. Given the fact I can have pretty much any Bird I like that might give you an inkling ;-0))

 

[Centaur]

Trust Lumpy

Trust that Bloody JAWS bloke to use ACTUAL facts in this debate.

We all know that in the real world 99.734568% of BIRD riders are shit and can't ride anywhere near properly anyway, and tyhe greater majority are also fairly ignorant as to the fundamentals of motorcycles, and yet still they argue.

to use tautology!d04l1ng

 

[Smix]

Well thanks for all the info. I've only been riding a year on a carbed Fazer 600 so I don't suppose I'd notice the difference on either Blackbird. To me they'll probably both feel fast. (Only as fast as my wrist allows them mind).

Anyway, I've plumped for a 1999 FI Bird. Done 23000 and it's blue (i love the colour). Got it from a Dealers in Cumbria. Tad expensive but they gave me a great trade in value for mine. With a bit of luck (i.e my replacement V5 coming through the post) I should be picking it up on Saturday.

Hope I like it and am not too disappointed I didn't buy a carbed Bird b0x2

You won't be disappointed - you'll love it! Have fun and remember that when it feels like 70, its probably a little bit faster :-0)

 

[tok3078]

Fi vs carb

For what it is worth - I don't think the performance difference really matters that much for everyday.

If you are buying the 'bird as a fast tourer / commuter / occasional blatter, then either type will suit.

ANY 'bird is very powerful, has more top end than you will ever use on the road and plenty of torque.

As for reliability, there are a few issues with both models, but so what? They are all known issues and JAWS can supply parts/mods to rectify the complaints.

Just ride and enjoy the 'bird whilst we can still get parts for these fantastic machines.

I ride an Fi, but this is only because I used to have a VFR FiW and also wanted to buy the newest, best condition, low mileage bike I could afford.

Happy riding!

 

[tok3078]

A common answer from EFi owners

I do regualrly get my pretend one above 170 on a run out and do hold the throttle to the stop a fair few times. Obviously it's not necessary but it's fun.

A (mildly) sarcastic response from limpy, I now feel like I have joined the forum properly!

 

[mickeystitch]

A common answer from EFi owners

I do regualrly get my pretend one above 170 on a run out and do hold the throttle to the stop a fair few times. Obviously it's not necessary but it's fun.

So what happened that night we went to Droxford then you sad carb muppet rider :dunno: you spent the whole trip eating my dust :-0) and don't start with that old chestnut ' the lights are bad on the carbed ones' h1d1ng2...
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[mickeystitch]

true, my memory must be playing up though, I noticed a few inaccuracies in your rendition The lights as standard are crap though.

Tis true, you are right of course the dust would have settled back down by the time you got to that section of road h1d1ng2

 

[Wolfie]

A (mildly) sarcastic response from limpy, I now feel like I have joined the forum properly!

:-0):-0):bow::bow::bow: