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Head Gasket

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The sun came out today so I thought I would uncover the Bird and take her for a spin. Fairweather rider i'm afraid. Anyway I look under the bird to find an oil stain on the garage floor. I whip the fairing off to see loads of oil over the front of the engine. I cleaned it all up and strted her up so i could see where it was coming from. Unfortunately it is leaking fron the cylinder head. I took the oil filler cap off to find it covered in white goo and loads of goo inside. So i guess this means the head gasket has gone. She's only done 26K.
Stupid question but is this gonna cost a shit load to sort out? Its a 99 fuel injected bird.Not mecahanically competent so I can't do it myself. :cry:
 

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If you are not going to do the job your self then I am afraid the answer is yes.. It will not be cheap

What is of concern is what caused the thing to go.. Only even known a couple of others pop..
One was on a NOS bike and the other a bike that had been bored to 1200
 
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I did drop the bike a couple of times last year, once on each side for good measure. They were only gentle though, wasn't even moving just lost my balance. This would have caused any damage would it?

Jaws. Is replacing the gasket something you could do?
 

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It would be amazingly unlikely to have anything to do with dropping the bike..

Usually I would say yes, but once again we are about to be moving workshops ( seems only a couple of months ago since the last bloody time !!

Not a lot of chance for several months I am afraid :-( Sorry
 
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Gammo

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OK, thanks John.

If I take it to a dealer am I looking at ?500+? My nearest is Lings in Ipswich.
 
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The sun came out today so I thought I would uncover the Bird and take her for a spin. Fairweather rider i'm afraid. Anyway I look under the bird to find an oil stain on the garage floor. I whip the fairing off to see loads of oil over the front of the engine. I cleaned it all up and strted her up so i could see where it was coming from. Unfortunately it is leaking fron the cylinder head. I took the oil filler cap off to find it covered in white goo and loads of goo inside. So i guess this means the head gasket has gone. She's only done 26K.
Stupid question but is this gonna cost a shit load to sort out? Its a 99 fuel injected bird.Not mecahanically competent so I can't do it myself. :cry:
YOU GOT A GARAGE GET THE BOOK OUT STUDY IT DO YOUR SELF TAKE YOUR TIME POLISH THE HEADS UP WHILE YOU ARE THERE ANX YOU KNOW ITS DONE GOOD N PROP::yo:
 

bmwdumptruck

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OK, thanks John.

If I take it to a dealer am I looking at ?500+? My nearest is Lings in Ipswich.

If you can trailer it I know a really good Honda man just west of Cambridge. He's not the fastest, but he's really fastidious. This would also be a good time of year to catch him, as he gets really busy in the season as such.
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Thanks bmwdumptruck not quite sure what to do at the moment. I would love to do it myself. I have read the Haynes manual and it looks a bit daunting. How easy is it to take the engine out of a bird?
 
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Gammo

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I meant to ask what are the possible causes of a blown head gasket. I'm sure thats what it is. It is just a standard bird nothing done to her. Is it just bad luck?
 

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You would expect overheating to be the problem normally; can't imagine a drop would have done this:dunno:. Possibly but unlikely a duff gasket. Are you aware if the coolant or oil have ever been low?

As ever, if the cause is not rectified, it might happen again.

Sorry for giving bad news; I suspect you might be looking at ?150+ just for gaskets here, and the possibility of needing the head skimmed if it is warped. Either way you must get the head checked before putting back as if it is warped the gasket will go again.

Good luck m8.
 

bmwdumptruck

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Thanks bmwdumptruck not quite sure what to do at the moment. I would love to do it myself. I have read the Haynes manual and it looks a bit daunting. How easy is it to take the engine out of a bird?

Not sure its a job for someone 'not mechanically competent' to be honest.

Never had to do mine so I'll be honest and say I can't quote from experience. Have done many cars/vans etc over the years though. So if mine went I would do it myself without a doubt.

Firstly where would you do it? Not a job for out on the road, or on the lawn, especially this time of year. So have you got a decent dry garage, good lights, and decent set of tools?

Ive not read the manual so you have a head start there, but does it say to remove the engine? Cos I wouldn't unless it has to come out for a reason.

Off the top of my head it would go something like this.

Strip fairing and tank off. Remove battery.
Remove exhaust system.
Remove airbox and FI manifold.
Drain coolant and disconnect hoses as necessary. Possibly remove radiator.
Remove ignition bits, coils, leads and any breather hoses that might get in the way.
Cam cover off, cam chain off (as per manual instructions, very important this bit)
Head off.

As has been said, you should get it skimmed and pressure tested.

You'll need a decent torque wrench and possibly a degree gauge to tighten the head bolts down properly.
Reassemble the cam chain, again follow the instructions. (This is probably the most important part of the job as getting it wrong could destroy the engine)
Then reassemble in reverse order as they say.

Tips.
Spray lots of wd40 0R gt85 around the exhaust studs for a few days before starting.
A few digi pics might be a good idea to show how things fit in relation to each other, take as many as possible.
Keep everything clean, cover the block with a sheet while the heads off so nothing can get inside.
Keep all the parts in an ordered pile, group things together etc An experienced mechanic can chuck all the bolts in a box and suss what goes where from experience, but i would suggest some cardboard boxs with the bolts stabbed through so they're kept together in groups and in some kind of order.

Best of luck with it, and try to enjoy it. Theres a great feeling of achievment when you get it done and alls well.
 

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Agree with all apart from one little bit

Spray lots of wd40 0R gt85 around the exhaust studs for a few days before starting

Or you could use something that will actually affect the rust rather than just make it wet ! LOL !!
WD is fish oil with contaminates and GT85 is only a silicone lubricant

Either a dedicated rust killer or a general purpose anti corrosion liquid such as ACF
 
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Gammo

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Thanks for the advice bmwdumptruck. To be honest the hardest thing I have done on the bird was change the brake pads, which wasn't really that difficult.
If i was to go to a dealer how much might it cost? A rough idea would be good as i really haven't got a clue. If the gaskets are £150+ i dread to think what the labour charge, skimmed head etc would be.
 

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head gasket from me ( :-0) ) ?63.00
 

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head gasket from me ( :-0) ) ?63.00

Wow, break his arm off. Are any others gaskets going to be needed John? If not then the bill comes down a lot in my mind for DIY.

Don't think a dealer would charge ?63....

As an alternative, you could do some of the work yourself and leave the rest to a dealer. Perhaps as far as whipping the motor out? would leave the tricky stuff like cam chain to the experts.:dunno:
 

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If you are careful you can re-use the rocker box gasket without issue.. I have only ever had to replace one ( and that was cos the customer had levered the other one off with a butchers knife ! )

You will need a set of header gaskets.. About ?6.00

I would be inclined to change the CCT whilst at it but that comes with the gasket anyway

Skimming.. About ?60 to ?100 around here ( that was early last year )
 
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if you are going to do it your self i would line up the timing marks be4 taking of the head use a long screwdriver or bar to hold the timing chain up drop it in the enging and its a coathanger torch and good luck
polish the head while you got it off good luck and injoy it take your time
ehwn its done wow:yo:
 
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I think you will find it is necessary to drop the engine in order to remove the head; the rear 6mm external head bolt is inaccessible.Removing the engine is no big deal & you will find it much easier to work on the engine if it is on the bench.
 

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I would drop the lump any way.. be about 500% easier than trying to fiddle about with it in situe ( sp? )
 

silverfox.xx

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Ring Lings for a written quote for parts & labour to do it. Think if I was in your situation and Jaws was not available... I'd go the bmwdumptruck route..his mate. get a quote from both.

Thankfully I'd be able to do mine myself..
 
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