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Lee337

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Sorry, this is a long one.

As some of you may know, I was made redundant at the end of June. Not really wanting to, I signed up for Job Seekers Allowance (JSA), not because I wanted the £75 per week, but because I wanted to have my NIC credited so there's no gap when it comes to my pension in 9 years time, although I'm not turning the money down.

First, it qas agreed that as I'm classed as skilled due to my qualifications in Training & Development and Management, I could have 3 months looking for jobs I'm qualified in before I have to take what's given, irrespective of what it is or the pay level. So far, so good. I was planning to change careers anyway as while Learning & development jobs came up in my area occasionally, it was either admin at minimum wage, or L&D department heads at £45k plus, none within my scope of design, delivery & consultancy, unless I was prepared to commute 2 hours each way & a 4 hour commute is not something I want to do.

Except my JSA payments were not allowed for the first 4 weeks because I had a payday on 30 June. So my JSA payments didn't start until 6 weeks later. I qualified for payment fron 1st July, but they're paid 2 weeks in arrears. Not really an issue as I had a little redundancy money.

As I was previously a civil servant, my old department provided job support by way of training courses in CV writing and Interview skills.. This wasavailable to me for 3 months, except the 3 months started in May - they didn't tell me that - so that support ran out in July.

Next up, I was signed up for additional support by DWP as I was made redundant. this additional support is provided on behalf of DWP by an outside provider. So far I've had to endure 3 courses, CV writing, Interview skills and Personal safety, this despite being courses I've run in the past. Still, it's good to have a different perspective. Boy were the trainers crap. Glad to attend though as I wouldn't have qualified for my JSA payments.

For my own reasons, I thought I'd have a go at driving, so decided to go for my Class 2 LGV licence, not least because it's estimated there are around 100,000 vacancies and an acute shortage of drivers.

I was told I could qualify for the Rapid Response Service, a Govt. course set up earlier this year to help people get back in to work. Basically, they provide fundiing to allow you to obtain qualifications to help you back in to work. EXCEPT they will not fund a career change, only qualifications in the job you're experienced in. They would fund a Level 2 course in training - I wrote the book on training trainers for the department I worked for & have 7 or 8 diploma level qualifications in Learning & Development.

They would fund a Level 2 course in basic team leading - got one of those.

They would fund a basic IT course, to enable me to switch on a computer & open a word document - Microsoft Office was one of the subjects i trained & have an IT Trainers qualification.

Upshop is the Rapid Response Service could offer me nothing, but there was another scheme I might qualify for, Low Value Procurement (LVP). this is funding where if you can provide a business case & there's a reasonable chance of employment once you qualify, they'll pay for it. EXCEPT as I'm already professionally qualified, I don't qualify for LVP.

This has been ongoing for a while now, to the point where I bit the bullet & used some of my redundancy to pay for a HGV course, not cheap but I probably stand a better chance of finding work.

Had my fortnightly DWP call today to see how my job hunting was going, so I told them I was funding my own training as DWP seem incapable of helping. the result, I was informed that they could help me with a loan of 50% of the training cost, which of course, I'd have to pay back (with interest). and please be aware that while I'm training, I'm technically unavailable for work, so run the risk of having my paltry £75 per week stopped unless I can ensure my availability for work within a 24 hour period should they find a job for me. Also, as was agreed when I 'signed on' I can be choosy what jobs I accept for the first 3 months, which only runs until the end of September, after which I have to take what jobs they find unless I have good reason to refuse it. It seems the 3 month clock starts ticking when I originally signed on, not when I became eligible for payment.

WTF

They can't/won't fund training to change career & get back in to work, only training for a job I'm professionally qualified for, but are prepared to stop my JSA payment becaause I'm taking training they didn't organise. :mad:
 

derek kelly

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Due to Bev’s ailments I need to be on hand to help her with bathing, dressing, etc, she cannot drive so relies on me, she has just been awarded the enhanced rate of pip & enhanced motability, I have applied for carers allowance but because I am receiving a work pension it’s looking unlikely I will get anything, I am two years short of state pension age but due to Osteoarthritis I am restricted to any work I may consider applying for plus the fact Bev needs me 24/7 it is doubtful that I can claim jsa
 

Cougar377

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I went through similar with them last year after I folded my newly started business (due to Covid killing it dead). The first 3 months were fine and they pretty much left me to my own devices. I put that down to the fact that they initially wrote me up as a company director. After that they were insistent that I take whatever they deemed to be of a similar occupation and position to my previous employment, before going self employed. As I'd come from a non mainstream career background (digital mapping and surveying) and was previously employed as a Training Manager, they struggled to find anything ..... to the point that some of the things they offered were just plain bizarre. Just about anything that ended with "Manager" was sent through.
One bonus was that a well documented back condition meant that they couldn't offer me anything further than a shortish commute, which was a blessing, but ultimately I jumped before the inevitable push.

One thing that really pissed me off was the amount of training opportunities that they emailed me about, which were only available to under 25's.
 

Lee337

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Mrs L can't claim anything (made redundant from the same place in December) as she's taken her Civil Service pension. It's not much but it is income at least. Neither of us qualify for universal credit or mortgage help as we have more than £6000 in savings.

Don't get me wrong, there are people in a far worse position than us. My beef is with a system that's supposed to help but put so many obstacles in the way you have to question their type of help.
 

Cougar377

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Mrs L can't claim anything (made redundant from the same place in December) as she's taken her Civil Service pension. It's not much but it is income at least. Neither of us qualify for universal credit or mortgage help as we have more than £6000 in savings.

Don't get me wrong, there are people in a far worse position than us. My beef is with a system that's supposed to help but put so many obstacles in the way you have to question their type of help.
We had similar. The wife had just taken early retirement from the NHS, so that plus our savings meant we were getting less than half the JSA for a couple.

If only we had been born in another country.....
 

derek kelly

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We are comfortable on my work pension but the point is I have contributed for 47 years & now find myself in a position where I cannot work or claim anything, yet people can walk into this Country & get help with everything.
 

Malone

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We are comfortable on my work pension but the point is I have contributed for 47 years & now find myself in a position where I cannot work or claim anything, yet people can FLOAT ACROSS THE CHANNEL into this Country & get help with everything.
Corrected for you.

you need to be a disabled ethnic minority to get any help here these days.
 

Lee337

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I live in South Lincolnshire, I probably am an ethnic minority being both white and British.
 

Cougar377

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Corrected for you.

you need to be a disabled ethnic minority to get any help here these days.
I'm Scottish and I have a dodgy back.... where's my free house....?
 

andyBeaker

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Due to Bev’s ailments I need to be on hand to help her with bathing, dressing, etc, she cannot drive so relies on me, she has just been awarded the enhanced rate of pip & enhanced motability, I have applied for carers allowance but because I am receiving a work pension it’s looking unlikely I will get anything, I am two years short of state pension age but due to Osteoarthritis I am restricted to any work I may consider applying for plus the fact Bev needs me 24/7 it is doubtful that I can claim jsa
Have you looked at Attendance Allowance? I will stand corrected, unless the system has changed it isn’t you that ‘gets’ the allowance, it is Bev. It is Bev that applies, not you, the benefit going to her to do with as she wants. I am pretty sure There isn't ‘means testing’, it is a straightforward assessment of her condition, income/assets are irrelevant.

An advance warning - the application form is horrendous, something like 60 pages long and, unless it has changed, has to be submitted in paper form. On the positive side the allowance is payable from when the application is received, not approved.

I went through this process 2/3 years back for a relative, drop me a PM if you want some help with the application process..
 

derek kelly

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The questions are all aimed at the carer & it’s the carer’s bank details that are requested
 

andyBeaker

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The questions are all aimed at the carer & it’s the carer’s bank details that are requested
Sorry derek, I got my allowances mixed up and have amended my post above - it now refers to Attendance Allowance, please have a read as it may be of benefit (no pun intended!).
 

andyBeaker

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Cheers Andy, she doesn’t qualify as she’s getting pip.
What a minefield.

If you haven’t already got one might I suggest getting a social worker - part of their role is to help make sure that all relevant‘benefits’ - both financial and non- financial- are being claimed/utilised.

I know that their may be a stigma attached to going down that path but I have engaged with a few for various reasons in recent years and without fail they have been excellent. Can be worth their weight in gold. Worth engaging even if it only confirms that you are all over it?
 

johnboy

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I have just signed off from JSA and today is my first day back in employment after a three month layoff. I was made redundant and signed on, so glad I didn't have to go into the job centre, mine was all done over the phone, my longest phone call 6.01 it would have taken me about an hour for the round trip, so I was thankful for that. I signed up to a 6 week training course because I thought it would assist me in my search for work, fortunately at the end of week 3 I received the offer of work, the course was crap and I learned nothing other than government sponsored training is a joke.
 

slim63

Never surrender
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Sorry lads but you are all finding out what a large proportion of the country already knows the benefits system isn't fit for purpose, they actively try to stop you claiming and offer no help in finding work, it has been like this for years :mad:

In my own case I was kicked off DSA as I didn't score enough points despite well documented health issues that got me on it in the first place, my mrs is expected to support me and Lucy from her small company pension despite having very little money herself once the bills are paid ..... I get child allowance now which goes straight to the mrs and does not even go half way to covering the weekly shop never mind the bills + guardians allowance of £17 for looking after Lucy most of which goes to her one way or another

Basically I get sweet fa to feed or clothe myself all because the mrs owns her house, I own a car and some clothes and some bayonets all of which i have scrimped and scraped to acquire with no help from anywhere, thats the reality of your tax pounds that are supposed to partly go to helping people in need of a little help

Most of my qualifications are building trade related which is something I can no longer physically do and are not current anyway according to the latest spec, guess what jobs I was offered when I signed on jsa..... then there was training courses they could offer, plumbing bricklaying plastering etc for fucks sake how hard is it to understand I cant physically do that shit anymore. I don't have a CIS card anyway and guess what they cant help me get one which means even if fit I wouldn't be able to work , laughable considering the amount of experience I have

I had an offer of help in writing a CV and the silly girl on the desk did not look impressed when I pointed out that as I am perfectly capable of filling in one of their stupid and over complicated application forms that I also perfectly capable of writing a CV (a copy of which she had in front of her)

Eventually I retrained as an MOT tester, something I found and worked out and paid for for myself with no support from that cunsh of bunts and did that for a couple of years until it got to the point that I was struggling to get bikes off the brake test rollers and had to give up

Now I make what I can where I can and pay feck all to the government, I got JSA idiots chasing me for money I don't and never have owed them and will never get a full pension due to them fucking up my NI contributions, all of this despite starting work the monday after I left school in 79 and paying high rate tax for the best part of 40 years with only a few well spread out weeks of unemployment when the building trade went down the pan and work was scarce (didnt bother claiming half the time)

In short don't rely on any sensible reliable help unless you just got off the boat, it really isn't going to happen :mad:
 
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Cougar377

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Sorry lads but you are all finding out what a large proportion of the country already knows the benefits system isn't fit for purpose, they actively try to stop you claiming and offer no help in finding work, it has been like this for years :mad:

In my own case I was kicked off DSA as I didn't score enough points despite well documented health issues that got me on it in the first place, my mrs is expected to support me and Lucy from her small company pension despite having very little money herself once the bills are paid ..... I get child allowance now which goes straight to the mrs and does not even go half way to covering the weekly shop never mind the bills + guardians allowance of £17 for looking after Lucy most of which goes to her one way or another

Basically I get sweet fa to feed or clothe myself all because the mrs owns her house, I own a car and some clothes and some bayonets all of which i have scrimped and scraped to acquire with no help from anywhere, thats the reality of your tax pounds that are supposed to partly go to helping people in need of a little help

Most of my qualifications are building trade related which is something I can no longer physically do and are not current anyway according to the latest spec, guess what jobs I was offered when I signed on jsa..... then there was training courses they could offer, plumbing bricklaying plastering etc for fucks sake how hard is it to understand I cant physically do that shit anymore. I don't have a CIS card anyway and guess what they cant help me get one which means even if fit I wouldn't be able to work , laughable considering the amount of experience I have

I had an offer of help in writing a CV and the silly girl on the desk did not look impressed when I pointed out that as I am perfectly capable of filling in one of their stupid and over complicated application forms that I also perfectly capable of writing a CV (a copy of which she had in front of her)

Eventually I retrained as an MOT tester, something I found and worked out and paid for for myself with no support from that cunsh of bunts and did that for a couple of years until it got to the point that I was struggling to get bikes off the brake test rollers and had to give up

Now I make what I can where I can and pay feck all to the government, I got JSA idiots chasing me for money I don't and never have owed them and will never get a full pension due to them fucking up my NI contributions, all of this despite starting work the monday after I left school in 79 and paying high rate tax for the best part of 40 years with only a few well spread out weeks of unemployment when the building trade went down the pan and work was scarce (didnt bother claiming half the time)

In short don't rely on any sensible reliable help unless you just got off the boat, it really isn't going to happen :mad:
The only thing I can say positively about the process the second time around, is that the lady who dealt with our claim (all done over the phone due to Covid) was extremely pleasant, sympathetic and helpful (as far as she was able).

The first time around (20+ years ago) was the most unpleasant experience I've ever had with a government agency. The people who manned the local job centre treated eveyone like dirt on their shoe and acted as if the money was coming from their own purses. I promised myself I would never claim again due to that experience and it was only at the insistence of SWBO that I even bothered.
 

Pow-Lo

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Sorry lads but you are all finding out what a large proportion of the country already knows the benefits system isn't fit for purpose, they actively try to stop you claiming and offer no help in finding work, it has been like this for years :mad:

In my own case I was kicked off DSA as I didn't score enough points despite well documented health issues that got me on it in the first place, my mrs is expected to support me and Lucy from her small company pension despite having very little money herself once the bills are paid ..... I get child allowance now which goes straight to the mrs and does not even go half way to covering the weekly shop never mind the bills + guardians allowance of £17 for looking after Lucy most of which goes to her one way or another

Basically I get sweet fa to feed or clothe myself all because the mrs owns her house, I own a car and some clothes and some bayonets all of which i have scrimped and scraped to acquire with no help from anywhere, thats the reality of your tax pounds that are supposed to partly go to helping people in need of a little help

Most of my qualifications are building trade related which is something I can no longer physically do and are not current anyway according to the latest spec, guess what jobs I was offered when I signed on jsa..... then there was training courses they could offer, plumbing bricklaying plastering etc for fucks sake how hard is it to understand I cant physically do that shit anymore. I don't have a CIS card anyway and guess what they cant help me get one which means even if fit I wouldn't be able to work , laughable considering the amount of experience I have

I had an offer of help in writing a CV and the silly girl on the desk did not look impressed when I pointed out that as I am perfectly capable of filling in one of their stupid and over complicated application forms that I also perfectly capable of writing a CV (a copy of which she had in front of her)

Eventually I retrained as an MOT tester, something I found and worked out and paid for for myself with no support from that cunsh of bunts and did that for a couple of years until it got to the point that I was struggling to get bikes off the brake test rollers and had to give up

Now I make what I can where I can and pay feck all to the government, I got JSA idiots chasing me for money I don't and never have owed them and will never get a full pension due to them fucking up my NI contributions, all of this despite starting work the monday after I left school in 79 and paying high rate tax for the best part of 40 years with only a few well spread out weeks of unemployment when the building trade went down the pan and work was scarce (didnt bother claiming half the time)

In short don't rely on any sensible reliable help unless you just got off the boat, it really isn't going to happen :mad:
Did she have big tits?

Mrs P went to Kwik Fit for a couple of new tyres last week and they’re screaming out for tyre fitters. All training provided and paid for. Ok, it’s a bit of a commute from yours to Pontypridd but, assuming it’s a job you can physically do, have a look at your local branches.
 
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