Dont you just love our police.

[TANK0700]

Thanks morphgarth i will bear that in mind and think the time has come to defuse this one as getting personal and heated and this is not what this sites about. Bloody hell sound like MTK glad I am a sponsor.

 

[rovinghawk]

we have no option but to go to and buy food at a supermarket etc.

Whilst I accept your point, would you say that it's acceptable for a taxpayer-funded vehicle (ie police car) to be used for private shopping trips?

RH

 

[Nige F]

Don't think I would call it a private trip, more an accepted part of the job we do. Dare say that will be point some may disagree with though.Most of the local supermarkets welcome a marked car on the carpark and a uniform walking round the store.

 

[TANK0700]

Yes we do go shopping at work, but when we work shifts and there is no canteens as they are all shut to make way for offices, we have no option but to go to and buy food at a supermarket etc.

i have been in Tesco with a cop walking around with a gun, so what he got to eat as i got to eat, i have even seen them running out to there car for reasons unknown to me may be a mate been shot or stabbed may been he got to pee I don?t know and I don?t judge, as I said would I be a cop would I shit. Yes I been done for speeding, my fault. I have had smart Alex gobshite cops looking to shaft me but shit happens in all walks of life.

 

[Duck n Dive]

Whilst I accept your point, would you say that it's acceptable for a taxpayer-funded vehicle (ie police car) to be used for private shopping trips?

RH

Well if the MP's can use taxpayers money for taxis for the missus shopping trip this seems small beer in comparison!! :-0)

 

[TANK0700]

Whilst I accept your point, would you say that it's acceptable for a taxpayer-funded vehicle (ie police car) to be used for private shopping trips?

RH

nit picking here .ok have a look around the car park next time you go shopping and see how many working vans are in there so ring there employers and tell them there shopping while working FFS , and tell all the fcuking Polish to fook off home while your at it,then the crime rate will 1/2 when was the last time you seen a white english speaking guy on Crime watch

 

[Barrie]

Have sat here and read all of these posts with great interest. Have been in the police 21 years, mostly on traffic. My choice to pick people up off the road, go and tell relatives at 3am their loved ones are dead etc. My partner works on child abuse, would like to see the crtics have sit and listen to a 7 year old tell them about their relative raping them and then have to go and deal with the offender, but again her choice

What really gets me, and I dare say all the other boys in blue on here, is the amount of people who think they know it all and know the job that all coppers do and how to do it.maybe I should turn up at their workplace on a Monday morning and tell them how to do their job, see how they like it!!

Yes we do go shopping at work, but when we work shifts and there is no canteens as they are all shut to make way for offices, we have no option but to go to and buy food at a supermarket etc.

See, there you go again, insulting the intelligence of the public. Why can't you take food from home like a lot of us in the building trade have to. It's not too difficult you know, all it takes is a bit of common sense. Oh! dear, I think I may have found the problem.

 

[Nige F]

Yes I been done for speeding, my fault. I have had smart Alex gobshite cops looking to shaft me but shit happens in all walks of life.

Have all been there, me included including some jumped up "gung Ho" who accused me of mouthing off at him last year when in actual fact I was using the handsfree kit in the car and he has driving down the road with no seat belt. This was pointed out to him and he was left red faced in the middle of he road as I drove off. his sort are the ones no one likes to meet,. My view is treat everyone how I would expect to be treated. If they can't accept being caught then don't do it

 

[Barrie]

nit picking here .ok have a look around the car park next time you go shopping and see how many working vans are in there so ring there employers and tell them there shopping while working FFS , and tell all the fcuking Polish to fook off home while your at it,then the crime rate will 1/2 when was the last time you seen a white english speaking guy on Crime watch

Tank, it's not the shopping that upsets me, it's the illegal parking while they do it.

 

[Nige F]

See, there you go again, insulting the intelligence of the public. Why can't you take food from home like a lot of us in the building trade have to. It's not too difficult you know, all it takes is a bit of common sense. Oh! dear, I think I may have found the problem.

The purpose was not to insult anyones intelligence. Wish I had the time to sort food out but sometimes I am only in the house 6 hrs between shifts and like my sleep,but again part of the job chosen to do.

 

[rovinghawk]

nit picking here

No; it was a reasonable question prompting a series of answers which I believe will help a reasoned debate.

have a look around the car park next time you go shopping and see how many working vans are in there so ring there employers and tell them there shopping while working

But they aren't funded by the taxpayer ergo I have no legitimate interest.

FFS , and tell all the fcuking Polish to fook off home while your at it,then the crime rate will 1/2 when was the last time you seen a white english speaking guy on Crime watch

Ah....... there's nothing like reasoned and intelligent debate.

Go on- insult me and swear a little to prove the point.

RH

 

[Barrie]

The purpose was not to insult anyones intelligence. Wish I had the time to sort food out but sometimes I am only in the house 6 hrs between shifts and like my sleep,but again part of the job chosen to do.

Shop where ever and when ever you please Nige, just don't park illegally while you do it, thats what pisses people off. I have spoken to friends who are police officer about this sort of thing and all they say is, "We are allowed to" or "Whos going to stop us?" Makes for good PR don't you think.

 

[Duck n Dive]

C'mon guys ..... (que suitable accent.......) "calm down there, calm down there...."




Given the size of the police force it'll have a mix of folks .... just like everywhere else (including here!!) ..... some good, some bad, some indifferent.... and they'll have good days and bad days for the same variety of reasons we all do.


Something they have to face (which many don't) are the extremes of human behaviour ...


Now I know we can all say .. well they chose the job ..... just the same as doctors/nurses/firemen (oops sorry firepersons!) ... but someone needs to do it.


We need 'em when the going gets shit and resent the cost/perks etc when we ain't in the smelly stuff...........


The current public perception of the police has deteriorated .. just like it has for doctors/nurses/firefolk etc..... and why might that be .....


I believe it's cos succesive govts. (of all ilks) have seen fit to try and climb their greasy careers by treating these services as cost centres and thinking they ought to be run as a business......

The result is they now get viewed as no different to buying a product from anywhere ........


If we really have a gripe then it should be directed at those who make the key decisions in how the police are funded, run and directed (que blackadder ..... "our battles are directed?!")........


On that point .... how many of you know how the body responsible to the public (?) for how the police is run in your area is selected .............. and pray tell me exactly how are they held accountable .........

 

[Jono]

I think you might be the sort of character a lot of people are talking about. And yes, I do know where the overtaking officer was going. His parents live oposite me and what a surprise, when I arrived home, there he was, parked outside. Now stop being a prat.

You don't really believe I'm that sort of character, 'Cause after telling me to shut up and then calling me a prat you know that if I was, I'd be out, speeding thru 30's, quaffing donuts and using my mobile, looking for a suitable bush to hide in so I can catch you speeding on your way to work w;;v , you would'nt be speeding of course, cause you would'nt do that sort of thing, but with my character what would that matter. :-0)

 

[hellraiser]

Its the courts fault as well ,send the yobs down .why do they give 12 year olds driving bans and a slap on the wrist for nicking cars.

 

[rovinghawk]

We need 'em when the going gets shit

I think the original post on this topic was about how the going got shit and nobody was available to help..............

and resent the cost/perks etc when we ain't in the smelly stuff...........

And resent the absence when they were in the smelly stuff

thinking they ought to be run as a business......

An intelligent comment from a die-hard British rail unionist: "You can't have a service that makes a profit"

how many of you know how the body responsible to the public (?) for how the police is run in your area is selected .............. and pray tell me exactly how are they held accountable .........

I'd love an answer to that one, too.

RH

 

[Duck n Dive]

I think the original post on this topic was about how the going got shit and nobody was available to help..............

And resent the absence when they were in the smelly stuff


Does anyone really, seriously think that a response will always without fail be there 100% of the time? ..... I can't think of anything which is 100% without failure ... other than dying.....

An intelligent comment from a die-hard British rail unionist: "You can't have a service that makes a profit"

I'd love an answer to that one, too.

RH

Your local police authority is appointed ... not elected ... and you cannot remove them if you don't like the way they run things on your behalf.

You may have some ability to influence the councillor element but it's often a "deals done between councillors" method of apointment.


Most police authorities have 17 members:

• 9 local councillors appointed by the local council
• 5 independent members selected following local advertisements
• 3 magistrates from the local area

The Metropolitan Police Authority has 23 members because of London?s size.

9.2% of all police authority members are from minority ethnic backgrounds and just under 30% are women.

What does the Police Authority do?

The police authority sets the strategic direction for the force and holds the chief constable to account on behalf of the local community. Delivering policing services is the job of the chief constable.



The police authority:

• Holds the police budget and decides how much council tax should be raised for policing
• Appoints (and dismisses) the chief constable and senior police officers
• Consults widely with local people to find out what they want from their local police
• Sets local policing priorities based on what local people say matters to them and targets for achievement
• Monitors everything the police do and how well they perform against the targets set by the authority
• Publishes a 3 year plan and an annual plan which tells local people what they can expect from their police service and reports back at the end of the year
• Makes sure local people get best value from their local police
• Oversees complaints against the police and disciplines senior officers

What?s the Police Authority for?


To make sure that the local police are accountable for what they do to you ? the people who live or work in the area and that you have a say in how you are policed.

 

[Duck n Dive]

As for who chooses the members who aren't councillors, a selectin panel takes care of that. Who's on that panel you might ask:


The panel is made up of five people, and in most police authorities these are:

? three people appointed by the police authority;

? a person appointed by the Home Secretary; and

? an ?independent assessor? chosen by the other four members of the panel, from a list which is compiled by the Home Office.



Anyone else see the irony in that........</SPAN>

 

[karlos2000]

well ............

Really Karlos, what regulation is that?

when I lived near Nettleham (Lincs Police HQ), this would have been around 18 months ago, there was an article on local TV about the Police from the HQ popping in to the CO-OP there at lunchtimes etc, some do-gooder Meldrew-esque tw*t in the village had complained as he had to wait 2 mins for his copy of the Daily Nazi or The Scum, and he knew his stuff as they always do, he probably got a speeding ticket once <ahem>, anyway, he cited that there was a little known employment rule that 'Police officers whilst in uniform should not shop, get a paper, buy fags, get a haircut', etc, etc, so he formally complained. It made the TV because the local CO-OP noticed a significant drop off in business after the police has received a gentle reminder that they could only go in there "off duty & not in uniform", naturally the residents were then up in arms at this overreaction by the powers that be and wanted to extend an olive branch bl4hbl4h . So I hope that answers your query.

As for the wider discussions here, which I must confess I haven't read in detail as I cannot be arsed; I still & will always support the police, they do a fucking great job that I wouldn't do for 3 times the money, I couldn't take the drop in salary for a start ...... and on the occasions I've found myself on the wrong side of the law, common sense has prevailed, because I'm a reasonable guy who was brought up properly. I am prepared to admit when I'm in the wrong; unlike those in society who instantly do "that thing", which is a typical schoolchild's reaction; that is to cite the misdemeanors of others and ask why "they" aren't punished too / instead ......

I can't even remember how this started, but as I said before, who gives a fuck, I don't. :-0) bl4hbl4h but no doubt it'll ramble on ad nauseum.

. p0pc0rn41

 

[crozzer3686]

I don't think this issue will ever be resolved, some people like us, some think were all corrupt and out to get them/their loved one's, the majority are somewhere in the middle, again this is only my opinion.

Most people, other than offenders, that I come into contact with usually have had no previous dealings with the Police and I believe that first contact can make the difference in how that person views us from then on, which is why I accept that if you/your mate/ your loved on happens to have been stopped/spoken to some halfwit who thinks the jobs all blue lights and action, your view may be tainted.



I can also accept that cops have/will continue to make mistakes, these can be massive clangers in which some poor member of the public is badly let down (as in the post that started this), to parking in the wrong place. But again there are two sides to it, GMP has 8,000 cops, I?m told nearly 4000 operational vehicles, if we all thought we could park wherever we wanted it would look pretty messy.



As for driving down the hard shoulder, again was there a legit reason? Our force has policies for firearm incidents, armed persons, suicidal people that involve RV's. Quite often this is the nick!!



This isn't me saying the cop's are wonderful in everything we do, but I am saying that sometimes things aren't always what they seem, yes as people have stated some are bad and some do act in an arrogant manner which distances us from the public, BUT were not all like that, in my experience most of us want to help and continue to try to do so


:-0)