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The dog warden came to collect Gabriel this morning. He bit Mrs P in the face last night in an unprovoked attack. Whilst he drew blood and there's a few teeth marks on her face and lip, it's relatively superficial and she'll be able to cover it with make-up in a few days.

She was sat on the sofa with him, he was sat up and she had an arm around him and stroking his shoulder and neck as she's done a number of times over the past few days. She turned to face me as I was sitting down (he was between us) and he lunged at her with a snarl and bit her. By the grace of God, she managed to recoil quick enough that he didn't do any serious harm. Obviously, she's badly shaken and wouldn't go near him afterwards.

There's been some changes in his behaviour this week but I never saw that coming.

The three of us were sat on the sofa Monday night, him in the middle with his head on her lap, and she looked across at me and said "you do realise he's not going back to the home. He's staying."

I'm absolutely devastated :crybaby2:
 

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So sad.. Feel for you and your better half... Feel for Gab too as something in his past was proly triggered..
 

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So sad.. Feel for you and your better half... Feel for Gab too as something in his past was proly triggered..
That's the worrying thing. We were told his previous owners split up but Mrs P is wondering if they split because Gabe went for her. I certainly think he's done it before.

When the dog warden turned up, he could see I was upset about the whole thing. He told me not to beat myself up over it because we'd done all we could to give the dog a chance. He said that him and most of his colleagues don't trust Corsos because of their nature. They choose one human and nothing gets between the dog and it's human. He chose me from the first moment I met him at the dogs home reception. he came barrelling at me, straight past the behaviourist who had a pocket full of sausage and straight to me. He's been stuck to me since since we've had him like shit to a carpet, I couldn't even go to the bathroom without him. If I went to the garage, he'd sit by the front door whining until I got back, even with Mrs P and Gia in the house.

I'm supposed to fill a form in giving details but i can't do that because of covid. I've sent them a detailed email about what happened and his behavioural changes. I've pleaded with them not to put him to sleep, he doesn't deserve that.
 

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The tragedy is he’s probably so much love to give but something in his head has clicked & could click again & he could do so much more damage, it’s heartbreaking but he will probably end up being destroyed, do not beat yourself up, you cannot keep a dog once it has tasted blood, hope your wife is ok.
 

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The tragedy is he’s probably so much love to give but something in his head has clicked & could click again & he could do so much more damage, it’s heartbreaking but he will probably end up being destroyed, do not beat yourself up, you cannot keep a dog once it has tasted blood, hope your wife is ok.
Thanks, Dezza. She's sore and a bit shaken but otherwise ok.

I can't help feeling like I've let him down even though I know we did everything we could. I even felt awful asking Mrs P if she could've done anything to make him turn like that but all she did was literally turn her head. If she was half an inch closer he could have taken half her face off.

The home have said he won't be destroyed, not yet anyway.
 

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Thanks, Dezza. She's sore and a bit shaken but otherwise ok.

I can't help feeling like I've let him down even though I know we did everything we could. I even felt awful asking Mrs P if she could've done anything to make him turn like that but all she did was literally turn her head. If she was half an inch closer he could have taken half her face off.

The home have said he won't be destroyed, not yet anyway.
You gave the mutt a chance and it didn’t work out.

You can’t blame yourself for that.

The comment by the warden is extremely relevant and one to focus on.
 

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You gave the mutt a chance and it didn’t work out.

You can’t blame yourself for that.

The comment by the warden is extremely relevant and one to focus on.
The warden actually thanked me for giving him a chance. I choked up (again) when he said that. It’s been five hours and I’m still struggling.
 

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I'm gutted for you, mate. So sad to hear that. I hope it doesn't ruin your Missus relationship with Gia.

Sad to say, but Gabe's rehome options are very limiting now. A single retired person who is experienced with big dogs would be his only real hope of a home. Alternatively he might end up pemanently housed in a rescue centre.

I hope it's one or the other of those two and not the alternative.
 

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I'm gutted for you, mate. So sad to hear that. I hope it doesn't ruin your Missus relationship with Gia.

Sad to say, but Gabe's rehome options are very limiting now. A single retired person who is experienced with big dogs would be his only real hope of a home. Alternatively he might end up pemanently housed in a rescue centre.

I hope it's one or the other of those two and not the alternative.
Thanks, John. Mrs P and Gia are fine, still thick as thieves. Gia is a bit out of sorts but I guess that’s to be expected as she’s had a very unsettling couple of weeks.

I just hope he ends up with a good quality of life somewhere. If he stays in a rescue centre, it will kill him. We saw a decline in him on a daily basis between Tuesday and Thursday last week when he came up for the day and went back at night.

I look at pictures like this and I can’t believe he did what he did.

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Jeez..that could have been a child sat in your wife's place. Then it's shit/fan & big time enquiry, not like you don't know that already. Hope your wife is ok and the mutt hasn't left any facial scars?
Forget the dog, you both tried.
Think yourselves lucky and move on.
Get a cat instead.
 

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Ahh mate. Lived to tell the tale tho…. Hope you and Mrs P mend swiftly. Regards to Mrs P
 

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Have you thought about keeping the dog and getting rid of the Mrs?

You did didn’t you :eek:

Anyway there is still every chance that the dog will find the home for it. The tasting blood thing is not true, our army dogs often taste blood but are still great with their handlers, they know it is just the job.
 

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Have you thought about keeping the dog and getting rid of the Mrs?

You did didn’t you :eek:

Anyway there is still every chance that the dog will find the home for it. The tasting blood thing is not true, our army dogs often taste blood but are still great with their handlers, they know it is just the job.
The tasting blood is a reference to the dog has bitten once for no apparent reason & most likely will do again.
 

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I am absolutely gutted for you especially as it seems your mrs had just come round to the idea of keeping him :( I really do hope she is ok and the experience does not affect her relationship with Gia

Having said all that ..... dont take it the wrong way as it may not be the dogs fault but if he decides to bite someone for no apparent reason then he should be put down, my reasoning being is he is only going to get bigger and stronger in the coming months and the next person may not be as lucky .... I hate the thought but for a dog of that size and power to be unpredictable can be very very dangerous and could easily result in someone's death
 

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Jeez..that could have been a child sat in your wife's place. Then it's shit/fan & big time enquiry, not like you don't know that already. Hope your wife is ok and the mutt hasn't left any facial scars?
Forget the dog, you both tried.
Think yourselves lucky and move on.
Get a cat instead.
Thanks, Karl. She’s better now he’s gone but still sore. It looks like she will scar in a couple of places and that pisses her off even more. Our other dog seems happier now he’s gone, too. He was starting to try and usurp her as alpha dog and, looking at it now through clearer glasses, I don’t think it would’ve been long before he succeeded. He was already a big dog and would likely have put on another 10kg over the next year.

In hindsight, I guess we we are lucky and we’ve probably dodged a bullet.
Ahh mate. Lived to tell the tale tho…. Hope you and Mrs P mend swiftly. Regards to Mrs P
I’ve passed that on, thanks Dave.
Have you thought about keeping the dog and getting rid of the Mrs?

You did didn’t you :eek:

Anyway there is still every chance that the dog will find the home for it. The tasting blood thing is not true, our army dogs often taste blood but are still great with their handlers, they know it is just the job.
Um, yes.

I hope they do. If anything, it’ll make their vetting of prospective owners even more stringent. The warden said this morning that Corsos belong in a one owner household.
I am absolutely gutted for you especially as it seems your mrs had just come round to the idea of keeping him :( I really do hope she is ok and the experience does not affect her relationship with Gia

Having said all that ..... dont take it the wrong way as it may not be the dogs fault but if he decides to bite someone for no apparent reason then he should be put down, my reasoning being is he is only going to get bigger and stronger in the coming months and the next person may not be as lucky .... I hate the thought but for a dog of that size and power to be unpredictable can be very very dangerous and could easily result in someone's death
Thanks, Tony. She was all for it until that moment of unexplained madness last night and I still can’t be,Keven he did it. Mrs P is of the view that he saw her and Gia as a threat to his relationship with me and that those two had to go.

She was a bit wary this morning that Gia might turn on her being the same (almost) breed (Gia’s a Corso crossed with an American bulldog). Gigi’s a sweet dog though and she soon removed any doubts, she’s been by her side most of the day.

Someone actually said to me today ‘imagine the outcome if it was six months down the line and he was fully grown’. Doesn’t bear thinking about really. Those dogs can kill with ease, they have a bite force of 700psi, which is 30psi more than an adult lion. Think about that for a second. Only the Turkish Kangal has a stronger bite. I hate myself for admitting this but you could be right.
 

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Thanks, Karl. She’s better now he’s gone but still sore. It looks like she will scar in a couple of places and that pisses her off even more. Our other dog seems happier now he’s gone, too. He was starting to try and usurp her as alpha dog and, looking at it now through clearer glasses, I don’t think it would’ve been long before he succeeded. He was already a big dog and would likely have put on another 10kg over the next year.

In hindsight, I guess we we are lucky and we’ve probably dodged a bullet.

I’ve passed that on, thanks Dave.

Um, yes.

I hope they do. If anything, it’ll make their vetting of prospective owners even more stringent. The warden said this morning that Corsos belong in a one owner household.

Thanks, Tony. She was all for it until that moment of unexplained madness last night and I still can’t be,Keven he did it. Mrs P is of the view that he saw her and Gia as a threat to his relationship with me and that those two had to go.

She was a bit wary this morning that Gia might turn on her being the same (almost) breed (Gia’s a Corso crossed with an American bulldog). Gigi’s a sweet dog though and she soon removed any doubts, she’s been by her side most of the day.

Someone actually said to me today ‘imagine the outcome if it was six months down the line and he was fully grown’. Doesn’t bear thinking about really. Those dogs can kill with ease, they have a bite force of 700psi, which is 30psi more than an adult lion. Think about that for a second. Only the Turkish Kangal has a stronger bite. I hate myself for admitting this but you could be right.
He was almost definitely warning your missus off and nothing more. That sounds as if I'm trivialising it, but the reality is if he'd been in attack mode then he would've followed through on it and then she would've be in a right mess.....or worse.

Young male dogs/pups are always going to be vying for position within the pack, usually it's minor stuff, but with certain breeds or dogs from a difficult background it can progress into fighting. Even this early on, he would have been planning to work his way through the pack and by the sound of it Gia was laid back enough to not present much of a challenge for him. "Logically" the next one up the chain of command was your missus. Unfortunately his "warning shot" to her was excessive, but that may well be because he's never had a settled environment earlier in his life to learn the boundaries of acceptable behaviour that nearly all young pups learn....either from their humans, or the other, older dogs (if there are any).

Who knows how much work it would take to teach him what is acceptable and what's not, but it would require full time effort, for a fair amount of time and you'd both have to have been a bit forceful at times. I've had the odd moment with some of the rescue Newfs I had, but they're docile dogs with no aggressive instincts to speak of, so it was never hard work. Which is just as well with 12 - 14st male dogs..!

But even a rehomed Newf can be f*cked up by some other twat before being rescued. A mate in the Newf group I was in took on an adult male rescue Newf who came (via Newfoundland Rescue) from a f*ckwit who had tried to train the dog to be a full on guard dog..."because it was big". The dog was completely schizoid. If you approached him, he would snarl and try to nip you. If you persevered and got close enough to stroke him then he became like a normal Newf. If you walked away and then tried it again then he would "reset" and you'd have to do it again. The poor dog was perpetually in turmoil as to how to treat people who approached him. Yet he was great with my mates kids.
Sadly he terrified the postmen to the point that they wouldn't deliver, so my mate had to collect his post from the local office. Unfortunately a relief postman who hadn't been briefed about him, arrived at the front door..... only to be ambushed by the dog. The postie got bit quite badly (Newfs also have tremendous jaw strength) and the Post Office prosecuted. The dog was put down and my mate and his family were distraught.

All because of a twat of a dog "owner" who had no idea what he was doing.
 
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I have in the past been bitten twice via feckin dogs....not funny.
when I was a kid (still is) we had a collie that some how caught both hind legs in
a fence that my old man erected, collie was dangling when it attempt to jump over it. I tried to free it and he turned on me, sank his fangs through my left index finger, top fang through the finger tip and bottom fang through the middle of said finger...Fook did that hurt! Dog was gone by the time I came back from hospital.

2nd time walking to work. Guy starts his car across the street and the car back fires. Jack russel comes bounding at me
from the house, jumps up and locks it's jaws around my left knee...That feckin hurt too! Before I could kick the little tw@t over that car from where it came from, it legged it back in the house...meanwhile, I hobbled to feckin work. The lads pissed themselves.....Feckers!
 

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I have scars on my right hand from a border collie (ours) he was a beautiful dog but he had a screw loose, he had lost his tennis ball under a chest of drawers, I bent down & retrieved the ball & handed it to him, he took the ball, dropped it then bit my hand, my mother took him to be put down the next day, I was 12 years old.
 

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Collies are one of those breeds that need a real purpose in life. If they aren't given a defined role (other than as a pet), or at least respected for the intelligence they have, then it can really screw many of them up.

Some of the German breeds are similar, which is why they're popular as security or war dogs. Same with the Belgium shepherds... the Malinois in particular is probably one of THE best battlefield dog breeds because they love having a proper job to do, are totally fearless and incredibly loyal. Unlike the feckin' Belgians themselves.

For some bizarre reason, Huskies became popular round our way during lockdown. I used to see loads of them being walked by the salad dodging spacehopper brigade from the local housing estates. Now that lockdown has been lifted I hardly see those dogs out at all. Which makes me wonder what happened to them as Huskies will become massively destructive if they don't get their exercise.

It might explain the big increase in house renovation and redecoration that's in full swing around the estates.....
 
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