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Do you think violence is justified?

Smix

Smix

Fcuk Up Fairy
When ?

When someone cuts you up on the road?
When someone is rude in a pub?

Is it ever justified as an emotional response to an event?


Just wondering like as I have a deep seated hatred of violence and don't really understand why or when people think it is justified??



I do realise that online a lot of what people type is 'keyboard heroism' but some people must think its ok IRL or they wouldn't post it at all??



I quit a job because my colleagues used violence and enjoyed it (door work) whereas I felt it was unnecessary and pointless.


Or am I just being a gurl?
 
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Crazy Train

Registered User
Violence is never justified unless you are acting in self defence. If someone physically assaults you, then violence is justified, but if someone calls you a nasty name or cuts you up, then violence would be the reaction of a complete idiot, im my humble opinion! Those are the rules I live by anyway!

People who are violent for no justifiable reason do it because they feel inferior, and they feel inferior because they are. :-:
 
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jontheone

Guest
violence is justified if its used to protect yourself or another from attack.
but it has to be proportionate and justifiable in the circumstances!!?? apparently.
unless you have no conscience and dont care about the aftermath.

oh yeah, and if its in a boxing type sport where both parties consent.
 
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jontheone

Guest
oh yes, and if you are insane its ok.
maybe if you are a battered wife/husband? is it okay?
or if your children have been harmed by someone.


mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

a mine field.
what if someone did something really bad to your kids/nephew or niece?

mmmmmmmmmm
 
Minkey

Minkey

Ok it was me
Club Sponsor
Smix said:
When ?

When someone cuts you up on the road?
When someone is rude in a pub?

Is it ever justified as an emotional response to an event?


Just wondering like as I have a deep seated hatred of violence and don't really understand why or when people think it is justified??



I do realise that online a lot of what people type is 'keyboard heroism' but some people must think its ok IRL or they wouldn't post it at all??


Iit a job because my colleagues used violence and enjoyed it (door work) whereas I felt it was unnecessary and pointless.


Or am I just being a gurl?
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I agree with you I dont like violence and cant see that it can be truly justified, may be it is a girlie thing.
 
FarkyNell

FarkyNell

Registered User
Crazy Train said:
Violence is never justified unless you are acting in self defence. If someone physically assaults you, then violence is justified, but if someone calls you a nasty name or cuts you up, then violence would be the reaction of a complete idiot, im my humble opinion! Those are the rules I live by anyway!

People who are violent for no justifiable reason do it because they feel inferior, and they feel inferior because they are. :-:
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Agree with this 100%. If we all reacted like this then the world would be a better place. :bow:
 
derek kelly

derek kelly

The Deli lama
Club Sponsor
It all depends on the situation, I can think of at least one situation where if I received a verbal threat I would respond with immediate violence so to say words don't hurt isn't always the case, if I was being attacked I would be stupid to do nothing & take a beating.
A couple of years back I gave a lad a few kicks up the arse as he had a dog tied to some railings & was booting hell out of it, fully expected daddy to come round (or the police) but never heard another thing about it.
I am generally very placid & do not like violence however like anybody else I have my limits.
 
gypsy

gypsy

MAN on the PAN
Crazy Train said:
Violence is never justified unless you are acting in self defence. If someone physically assaults you, then violence is justified, but if someone calls you a nasty name or cuts you up, then violence would be the reaction of a complete idiot, im my humble opinion! Those are the rules I live by anyway!

People who are violent for no justifiable reason do it because they feel inferior, and they feel inferior because they are. :-:
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Spoken like a real wuss:-0)
 
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karlos2000

Guest
I'm not at all a fan, but I'm old fashioned ... very.

The last time I resorted to a physical threat was when, in my last village, a guy wrote a "positive" newspaper article about my wife's village improvement trust. This guy was at the time running a one man campaign against the parish council via his vitriolic website, so he used the trust's good deeds to publicly highlight shortcomings of the local parish council.

My wife replied to him (in writing), but also politely asked him to not quote her by name, or our address or our phone number to the wider world (as he had in his article). However, for some very odd reason, but true to form as he's a little unhinged, he then wrote my wife a very personal & "threatening" letter, amongst other things citing civil liberties and privacy law and to top it all, he hand delivered this to her when he knew I was out.

So, as my wife was shaken and upset, I went round to his house, "invited" myself in, and made him write an apology, whilst I waited in his kitchen. His other option open to him, was for me to take him outside and hurt him. All very polite, and he had been given a choice. He wrote the apology whilst physically shaking, so I allowed him the odd spelling error. His website closed within a couple of months and nobody in the village heard a peep after then. He had been a complete pain in the arse by bullying people in the village for a number of years. Nobody had ever done anything about it. Sometimes "bullies" need sorting. This guy technically had the law on his side, his professional medical standing to hide behind (he was a dentist) and his social status. When faced with "a thrashing" as I put it, things levelled out.

Violence is not the answer, yet sometimes it's the only recouse. It also helps if you are 6'2" and the hardest c unt in the world.
 
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g1948

Guest
People who break into other people's houses in the dead of night, armed with a knife (a case recently in the news, for example) where the kids were in residence, should expect to be knocked about, for no other reason than a bloke is in the house with a knife, and the kids are upstairs and you want to preempt a possible situation that scares you sh*tless. Is that 'justified'?
 
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edsaz

Guest
Thats a very difficult question!!! Most of the time it isnt justified at all but there are a lot of people in this world who use violence and intimidation to their advantage, sometimes the only way to get through to them is to give them a taste of their own medicine.
If you are confronted with someone who sees violence as the normal response talking isnt always an option!!!!
Personally i hate violence, and can honestly say i have never started a fight.
Some good points made here though, when it comes to your kids things get a little bit different!!
So in my opinion the question should be is it justifiable to use violence against violence, for me the answer is a definite yes.
 
Tinytim

Tinytim

Registered User
karlos2000 said:
I'm not at all a fan, but I'm old fashioned ... very.

The last time I resorted to a physical threat was when, in my last village, a guy wrote a "positive" newspaper article about my wife's village improvement trust. This guy was at the time running a one man campaign against the parish council via his vitriolic website, so he used the trust's good deeds to publicly highlight shortcomings of the local parish council.

My wife replied to him (in writing), but also politely asked him to not quote her by name, or our address or our phone number to the wider world (as he had in his article). However, for some very odd reason, but true to form as he's a little unhinged, he then wrote my wife a very personal & "threatening" letter, amongst other things citing civil liberties and privacy law and to top it all, he hand delivered this to her when he knew I was out.

So, as my wife was shaken and upset, I went round to his house, "invited" myself in, and made him write an apology, whilst I waited in his kitchen. His other option open to him, was for me to take him outside and hurt him. All very polite, and he had been given a choice. He wrote the apology whilst physically shaking, so I allowed him the odd spelling error. His website closed within a couple of months and nobody in the village heard a peep after then. He had been a complete pain in the arse by bullying people in the village for a number of years. Nobody had ever done anything about it. Sometimes "bullies" need sorting. This guy technically had the law on his side, his professional medical standing to hide behind (he was a dentist) and his social status. When faced with "a thrashing" as I put it, things levelled out.
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A very Derek Kellian, entertaining story; and like all the other posts, thought provoking too. :bow:

karlos2000 said:
Violence is not the answer, yet sometimes it's the only recouse. It also helps if you are 6'2" and the hardest c unt in the world.
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Beer all over, ya bastid.

:-:
 
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derek kelly

derek kelly

The Deli lama
Club Sponsor
How would you respond in this situation?
This is actual events related to me by a now retired colleague & verified by several others.

Bill was a Prison Officer working in the national rule 43 unit at Wakefield,( the unit housed the worst paedophiles in the prison system who could not associate with other prisoners.
One of the prisoners approached Bill & told him his daughter was very beautiful,(Bills daughter was about three years old at the time) he then said to Bill "I'm out next year will you introduce me to her?" Bill being a professional brushed this off as a typical nonce comment & started to walk away, the paedo then said I know Walton very well, Walton is a village in Wakefield where Bill lived, he then went on to tell Bill the street name & house number, Bill responded by grabbing the prisoner by the throat & was just about to punch his living daylights out when the other officers dragged Bill off.
The outcome was that Bill was removed from the Natonal rule 43 unit permanently but all charges against him were dropped due to the extreme provocation.

Bear in mind that the above happened at the time when Wakefield housed IRA prisoners who regularly got hold of staff addresses & targeted them.
 
mickeystitch

mickeystitch

Quietly Watching
Read Only
derek kelly said:
How would you respond in this situation?
This is actual events related to me by a now retired colleague & verified by several others.

Bill was a Prison Officer working in the national rule 43 unit at Wakefield,( the unit housed the worst paedophiles in the prison system who could not associate with other prisoners.
One of the prisoners approached Bill & told him his daughter was very beautiful,(Bills daughter was about three years old at the time) he then said to Bill "I'm out next year will you introduce me to her?" Bill being a professional brushed this off as a typical nonce comment & started to walk away, the paedo then said I know Walton very well, Walton is a village in Wakefield where Bill lived, he then went on to tell Bill the street name & house number, Bill responded by grabbing the prisoner by the throat & was just about to punch his living daylights out when the other officers dragged Bill off.
The outcome was that Bill was removed from the Natonal rule 43 unit permanently but all charges against him were dropped due to the extreme provocation.

Bear in mind that the above happened at the time when Wakefield housed IRA prisoners who regularly got hold of staff addresses & targeted them.
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Honest opinion of the above is - should of gone back later and kicked the gobshite 99% to death makeing sure he could never walk again or even move his arms, made sure he had a iron clad allibi but not killed him (would not want to be done for murder, just in case)

Yep you guessed it - JUSTIFIED
 
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rovinghawk

Registered User
My take on it:

Violence due to anger or similar is not acceptable. Violence due to having no alternative is acceptable.

RH
 
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