Well, I'm prepared to have a go at "going baldly" but keeping my hair on!BlackBirdBaz said:But would you do any of the above without the correct equipment ??
So what are you saying, gloves and a lid would make no difference even without a shute ?? !!Jaws said:Errr. yes to some ( and have done ) but some you cannot really do without certain basic items..
For instance, skydiving becomes more sort of ground plumeting without a chute ! :-:
BlackBirdBaz said:So what are you saying, gloves and a lid would make no difference even without a shute ?? !!
That wouldn't be a swerve now Allan, would it?????Allan said:There's nothing like a bit of lively debate.......
........Thats my fun over for the day, tarrraaa
Buzz
............... and what your going to be landing IN or ON, more likely in the shit either way ! %$fanDuck n Dive said:So with a choice of gloves, lid & chute for skydiving which would I do it without?
Guess it depends on the height ! man8um
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NoBBy said:Saw a right dick head on a red bird going north on the M5 today about where the M42 exit is, would have been about 3 ish. Came past in the outside lane in a Tshirt and no gloves. Just cant understand riders not using gloves or jacket. There is no reason these days with well vented gear available cheaply.
Well hope he's not a member on here. Because someone would have to look after him when he had no hands
what do you lot think.
It doesn't quite work like that Pierre mate - you should check up on the fine points as there is a range of treatments that you would not recieve!!frenchuk said:with the taxes attached to the price tag I am also buying the medical insurance in case I suffer from anything fag-related......
I know that my argument could turn against me with someone saying, you choose a dangerous activity (biking) therefore you pay for your medicals if you crash... this argument has its flaws, just as 'I've got the right to do whatever I want' argument. You of course pay for your medicals (albeit crap ones with amazing delays and the rest) with the taxes you pay - but if one crashes on its own without having done what he could have done to protect himself, why would one expect others to pick up the bill? We all accept that wearing a lid is part of biking, so we all accept that some protection is necessary - what level of protection is the question. you're saying 'through no fault of my own', I didn't - if it's someone else's fault they pick up the bill. I just don't think that we can moan and whinge about the nanny state on one hand, and then ask nanny to pay when we fuck up - same for getting drunk, ODed, etc - taking responsability for our actions, I'm all up for it.derek kelly said:So Pierre, am I not paying for my own medical treatment through the taxes I pay through my employment? the more overtime I work the more tax I pay, if I am knocked off my bike through no fault of my own, I am charged a fee by the hospital, yet if I go out and get pissed out of my skull and collapse an ambulance will pick me up take me to hospital where I will be treated then discharged,
Or, why the state tells us to do things we don't want to do? I am not for nanny state at all, just pointing out that an argument can be used both ways.derek kelly said:You are correct when you say an uninformed choice is no choice, that is why as parents it it is sometimes a case of do as I say and not as I do.
100% agree with you.derek kelly said:As for the smoking, that is your choice, I choose not to smoke, but if I am in a room and someone lights a cigarette then they are imposing their choice on me giving me no choice.
Then that is really unfair as we pay for our care through taxes imposed on ciggies - on top of the NIC I pay!!! So, I will import cigarettes from other countries where tax is minimal, except that is a crime punishable by simultaneous hanging and balls crushing in UK!R2B2 said:It doesn't quite work like that Pierre mate - you should check up on the fine points as there is a range of treatments that you would not recieve!!
For example, the NHS does not make available lung transplant surgery to a smoker suffering from lung cancer, whereas that treatment would be offered to someone who doesn't smoke.
Saw that on a documentary a little while ago where they followed the deterioration of smoker dying from lung cancer in his final few months. His treatment in an NHS hospital was limited to providing care and comfort only, and it was based simply on who should take priority of the availablr resources.
*After I had the metalwork taken out, I got a bad infection in the wound which leaked constantly.
After a few days, my leg had locked at 90degrees, and wouldn't move at all.
One of the Orthos inserted two needles under my kneecap (without anaesthetic) to drain a lot of the liquid that had accumilated under it, which was a lovely red/yellow/green colour, and had little bits of ground up bone in it.
I was re-admitted to hospital, where it was discovered I had mild blood poisoning, and after I was operated on to flush out my knee (a further three (little) scars on my leg, one for a camera to be inserted and two for the tubes to flush it), I was on constant IV antibiotics for another week.
When I was finally released, I was still on over 40 tablets a day to try to keep the infection at bay.
**I went in to have the metalwork done on Feb 16th, and should have been returning to work two weeks later at most.
I ended up being off for seven weeks.
I don't think it's done on the basis fairness in that respect. I don't think they're saying a smoker will not receive the same treatment BECAUSE he smokes, as such.Duck n Dive said:Who decides what is in this category and how....
So how can it be fair to now withold treatment...
H,mmmmmmm, could be interesting. Can see it now.Jaws said:There are a few nudist skydiving clubs around..
Perhaps BBB,, you could mail them your thoughts and post on here their reaction ?