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derek kelly

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Just seen the Baltimore bridge collapsing after being struck by a boat, how quickly & easily did that fall? Hope there’s no fatalities or injuries.
 

Pow-Lo

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They weren't pedestrians in the true sense of the word, not at 0130 hours. They were workmen fixing pot holes.

If I were a gambling man, which I'm not, I'd guess the most likely cause is a loss of power to the propulsion and/or steering.
 

T.C

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They weren't pedestrians in the true sense of the word, not at 0130 hours. They were workmen fixing pot holes.

If I were a gambling man, which I'm not, I'd guess the most likely cause is a loss of power to the propulsion and/or steering.
I hear what you are saying, but this footage seems to suggest that it was under power at the time of the collision and appears to steer directly into the bridge.

Thoughts?

 

Duck n Dive

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I've read that there were two power outages shortly before the collision. All light on the vessel went out then back on just before it hit.
 

DEG5Y

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The power went out and it looks like the emergecny generator came on.
So it may not have been under power.
 

Squag1

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They weren't pedestrians in the true sense of the word, not at 0130 hours. They were workmen fixing pot holes.

If I were a gambling man, which I'm not, I'd guess the most likely cause is a loss of power to the propulsion and/or steering.
That's what's being reported now!
 

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Weird that it loses power and then turns straight for one of the bridge supports....
 

Minkey

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Very sad for the families of the missing people, it's very fortunate that it didn't happen during rush hour.
 

Malone

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Maybe it was hacked by terrorists? Or the fact it only has one screw for propulsion didn’t help when it had a temporary power outage?
 

Pow-Lo

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I hear what you are saying, but this footage seems to suggest that it was under power at the time of the collision and appears to steer directly into the bridge.

Thoughts?

I don't have any evidence, only the videos circulating in the media.

First time I've seen this video. The lights are seen to go out, which indicates a black out. The black smoke from the stack shortly before the impact suggests power was restored; might be the emergency genny but I think it more likely that it was the main engine because there seems to be too much smoke for an emergency genny.

She can be seen to be turning to starboard just before the lights go off for the first time, so clearly starboard helm was on. Power goes off, so there's no way to return the helm to midships or apply counter to port other than emergency steering. Not a chance in the time available when that close to the bridge. As the rudder was already off to starboard, the likelihood was that her momentum would keep her turning in that direction.

Power was restored approximately 15 seconds before she hit the bridge. No way, as in no way, were they going to recover her when she had a rate of turn like that.

Weird that it loses power and then turns straight for one of the bridge supports....
She was already turning to starboard when power was lost.

Currents probably, maybe tidal.
No. See above.
Maybe it was hacked by terrorists? Or the fact it only has one screw for propulsion didn’t help when it had a temporary power outage?
Two screws wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference. Loss of power means exactly that, loss of power.
 

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I don't have any evidence, only the videos circulating in the media.

First time I've seen this video. The lights are seen to go out, which indicates a black out. The black smoke from the stack shortly before the impact suggests power was restored; might be the emergency genny but I think it more likely that it was the main engine because there seems to be too much smoke for an emergency genny.

She can be seen to be turning to starboard just before the lights go off for the first time, so clearly starboard helm was on. Power goes off, so there's no way to return the helm to midships or apply counter to port other than emergency steering. Not a chance in the time available when that close to the bridge. As the rudder was already off to starboard, the likelihood was that her momentum would keep her turning in that direction.

Power was restored approximately 15 seconds before she hit the bridge. No way, as in no way, were they going to recover her when she had a rate of turn like that.


She was already turning to starboard when power was lost.


No. See above.

Two screws wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference. Loss of power means exactly that, loss of power.
I believe you have been warned previously about reporting facts on here.

Three strikes and you are out.
 

Pow-Lo

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I believe you have been warned previously about reporting facts on here.

Three strikes and you are out.
Damn. Soz, my bad. Although, in my defence, they're not entirely facts; it's only what I can see based on a single, low res video. Therefore, I beg forgiveness on this occasion.

As she's a container ship, I may well get instructed on this job by cargo insurers as I was for the one that got stuck in the Suez Canal. I'll have to clam up completely then.
 

Squag1

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I was told that they dropped the anchor which might have affected direction.
Don't know where that info would have come from.
 

Pow-Lo

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I was told that they dropped the anchor which might have affected direction.
Don't know where that info would have come from.
By another armchair expert, no doubt. Don't believe everything you hear.

Unless a crew member was standing by up forward, an anchor would not have been dropped as there was no time. She's 300 metres long; from the first blackout, it's unlikely a crew member would have been alerted by the bridge team and managed to reach the forecastle in time to drop an anchor.

I doubt they'd have dropped an anchor anyway. I wouldn't. We're taught that you never go aground with both anchors in the pipes and with good reason. However, anchors are not used for collision avoidance because of the affect they can have on the Vessel's direction. As an aside, she was going too fast (at about 9 knots) and bitter end of the cable might well have been ripped out of the chain locker, causing potentially serious damage in the process.

There I go again, quoting facts. I'm gonna be in serious trouble with andyBeaker if I carry on.
 

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I was told that they dropped the anchor which might have affected direction.
Don't know where that info would have come from.
Probably someone spreading rumours on the internet.
 
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