CBR1000F v 'Bird

[bikesnoopy]

I friend of mine is selling his immaculate 1998 CBR1000F.
He's asking the same as i paid for my 'Bird (his bike is much nicer as it stands than my bike was when i bought it) which i think is a fair price given the condition of it.

It just got me thinking about how the two bikes compare.

For instance, my 'Bird is a 1998 model with 50000 miles up.
His CBR is also 1998 with 50000 miles.
My bike is "tidy", but his is immaculate.

Is the 'Bird that much better than the CBR?
How much did the 'Bird move things on?

Ive never ridden a CBR1000F, so i cant compare them.

 

[Tinytim]

p0pc0rn41 .........................

 

[Jaws]

The two obvious things is the nasty spindly fork legs which cause some rather 'interesting' handling effects and of course the god awful CCT which had an even worse reputation for failing than the Bird one.. And of course while changing a Bird CCT takes a few minutes, it is a fairly unpleasant job on the CBF

On a personal note, I REALLY dislike the old bathtub style plastics

 

[neilminto]

F v RR

Had two 'thou's and four birds, two of which I still have - a carby and a late Efi.

The bird is a lot faster, but mainly at the speeds where it doesn't matter that often. The 'thou' is much more comfortable, for me anyway. More upright, and almost self-correcting in severe crosswinds - a weird experience when you first notice it, but awesome! Mr Honda obviously gave it a fair bit of thought and wind-tunnel. The 'thou's headlights are fantastic - like a good car. Compared with the bird, which are 50 mph lights on a 170mph bike. Strange, and hardly an advance. The bird build quality is good - but the thou looks and feels as though it was hewn from solid - the quality is astonishing, far better than the bird. I seem to remember the handling of the thou is better, but I suspect that's becasue it was a bit softer and compliant, better set up for touring. (I suspect its not 'better' just different!) The bird felt a bit 'hard and hammering' in contrast at first. The thou feels more 'XJR' whereas the bird is more raw, especialy the carb ones.

The difference in power was enough, on my mate's 98 carb one, to make me swap from the thou - and as I bought an Efi, new in 2005, the difference between carb and Efi was enough to disappoint. I wouldn't have swapped the thou for an Efi.

I have very fond memories of the thous - the first one (1990 FL)was the better of the two - the 1994 FR was uglier and has strange indicator position!

If I could find a mint FL in white/red/blue I'd want it very much... but I wouldn't sell the birds. I suspect it'd feel very dated now, but worth revisiting!
How much is your mate wanting? And what colours is it?

On the other hand, I was obviously twenty years younger when i did most of my miles on the thous - including a memorable thousand-and-twenty mile day. (I mention the twenty cos they felt the longest!) So maybe its rose tinted reminiscence of youth?

Oh - and if your mate is selling his, and you haven't ridden one - now's the time chap!

 

[paul 7911]

ManufacturerHonda
Also calledSuper Blackbird
ClassSport bike
Engine1,137 cc (69.4 cu in) DOHC 4-valves/cyl. liquid-cooled inline four, EFI
Bore / Stroke79.0 mm ? 58.0 mm (3.11 in ? 2.28 in)
Compression ratio11.0:1
Top speed'97 170 mph (270 km/h)
'99 174 mph (280 km/h)[1]
178.5 mph (287.3 km/h)[2][3]
180 mph (290 km/h)[4]
Power132.9 hp (99.1 kW) @ 9,500 rpm[5]

136.7 hp (101.9 kW) @ 9500[6]
137 hp (102 kW) @ 9750 rpm[7]
Torque78 lbf?ft (106 N?m) @ 7,500 rpm[5]
80.9 lbf?ft (109.7 N?m) @ 7500 rpm[6]
Ignition typeComputer-controlled digital with three-dimensional mapping
TransmissionClose-ratio six-speed
Final drive: #530 O ring sealed chain
SuspensionFront: 43 mm HMAS cartridge-type fork, 120 mm travel
Rear: Pro-link HMAS with gas-charged damper, rebound adjustable 120 mm travel
BrakesDual combined braking system
Front: 310 mm dual disks with "combined" three-piston calipers
Rear: 256 mm single disk with "combined" three-piston caliper
TiresCast hollow-section triple-spoke wheels.br>Front: Bridgestone BT57-120/70 ZR17
Rear: 180/55 ZR17
Rake, Trail25?, 99 mm (3.9 in)
Wheelbase1,490 mm (59 in)
DimensionsL 2,160 mm (85 in)
W 720 mm (28 in)
H 1,170 mm (46 in)

Seat height810 mm (32 in)
Weight'97 492 lb (223 kg)
'99 496 lb (225 kg)[8] (dry)
'97 556 lb (252 kg)[6]
'99 563 lb (255 kg)[1] (wet)
Fuel capacity23 L (5.1 imp gal; 6.1 US gal) (including the 4 L reserve)
Fuel consumption39 mpg



Launched in 1987 the Honda CBR1000F, also known as the Hurricane, is a sport touring motorcycle manufactured by Honda from 1987 to 1999. It is powered by a liquid-cooled, DOHC, 998 cc, 16-valve four-cylinder, it crossed the 130 bhp (97 kW) barrier and is capable of 260 km/h (160 mph).[
also added to the bikes cam chain tensioner in an attempt to remove the annoying cam chain rattle some riders had reported, the 1989 model also had its power slightly increased to around 135 bhp (101 kW) and the model gained weight. In 1992, the bike's looks were overhauled with a more streamlined and modern looking bodywork added. The biggest change was the introduction of DCBS, Honda's Dual Combined Brake System. The DCBS system was introduced to assist rider braking where the front brake lever operates the front calipers but also proportionally applies the rear brake, while using the rear brake will engage one front caliper
The CBR weighs 235 kg (520 lb) (1992 model and onwards). The seat is 780 mm (31 in) high and the wheelbase is 1,505 mm (59.3 in). The engine is housed in a steel box section perimeter frame, air-assisted 41 mm telescopic front forks and an adjustable monoshock at the rear. The front brakes are twin 296 mm discs using three piston Nissin calipers, the rear is a single 256 mm disc, and DCBS are used on all models after 1992.

The CBR's engine went largely unchanged throughout its history. It uses the standard Honda inline four-cylinder 998 cc, four-stroke, DOHC, 16-valve, liquid-cooled power plant. Running 4x 38 mm CV carburetors and a bore and stroke of 77 mm ? 53.6 mm (3.0 in ? 2.11 in). It produced 130 bhp (97 kW) at 8,600 rpm and 8.36 kg-m of torque at 6,500 rpm.

The fuel tank is 21 litres (4.6 imp gal; 5.5 US gal).

 

[bikesnoopy]

How much is your mate wanting? And what colours is it?

He's asking ?1500 & its white with red/blue graphics - the classic colours IMO.

He has someone coming to view it at lunchtime, so may be sold soon enough.

Interesting to hear the comments.

Ive had 4 Birds (3 carbys & a Efi).
Ive also had several ZZR1100s & a ZZR1200, & while the CBR1000 seemed to be in the same catagory as these bikes, ive never ridden one.
I really enjoyed ZZR ownership - not as good as the Blackbird on most levels, but - dare i say - has/had much more "character". . .p0pc0rn41

 

[neilminto]

"In 1992, the bike's looks were overhauled with a more streamlined and modern looking bodywork added. The biggest change was the introduction of DCBS, Honda's Dual Combined Brake System. .... and DCBS are used on all models after 1992".


Most of your post is spot on, but the DCBS and major bodywork changes were definitely from 1990 (FL on) - the earlier ones were fugly - and the later, last change to bodywork was just moving the front indicators (from the mirror backs, if I recall correctly), to the main fairing edges - narrower and harder to see!

 

[Trevsbird]

Here's my mate's CBR1000f n its in good nick for '90

 

[4_4_2]

70 places difference in the MCN top 100 bikes between the Thou and the Bird....Nuff said...


http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Top-100-Bikes/top-bikes-91-100/?id=121281

p0pc0rn41

 

[163phil]

Is the 'Bird that much better than the CBR?

Yes :-0)

 

[bikesnoopy]

Thats good then - question answered.

 

[bonzodog]

I had a run out on a friends 92 CBR1000,couldn't get on with the riding position at all,footpegs too high,bars too low etc,felt fairly quick but not Blackbird quick.Also tried his ST1100,very comfy but felt like riding a comfy armchair and I'm not old enough to need a two wheeled settee yet.
Same friend rode my Blackbird when I picked it up,told me it was miles quicker than the thou........

 

[1BadBird]

70 places difference in the MCN top 100 bikes between the Thou and the Bird....Nuff said...


http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Top-100-Bikes/top-bikes-91-100/?id=121281

p0pc0rn41

Beyond this I think it's important to note a Blackbird set the current all out world endurance record for 7 consequtive days of riding in the spring of 2007; 10,500 miles. The rider, Dale Wilson also set a single 24hr period record of 1,750 miles. Additionally, the Blackbird holds the wheelie record at 191mph. This is like comparing a Corvette to a dump truck...8rfl@

 

[Wolfie]

cbr1000f 1990

better lights, rider comfort seat and fairing position pegs are lower, bars higher and further back more sit up and beg, pillion comfort, mpg, much better finish paintwork, seat cover etc, feels more luxurious, luggage looks like it belongs there.

Bird 1996

better brakes, more power, standard handling is slightly better, rawer as a bike, feels lighter on its feet and to man handle about.



The bird is mine the cbr1000f is my dads, the views are mine as i ride both of them.

 

[1BadBird]

It's roughly 350 miles from London to Glasgow. In the states that would be a nice 5 hour ride with 1 stop for fuel. What do you need luggage for? They do make these really neat things called back packs ya know...8rfl@

 

[dave m]

It's roughly 350 miles from London to Glasgow. In the states that would be a nice 5 hour ride with 1 stop for fuel. What do you need luggage for? They do make these really neat things called back packs ya know...8rfl@

is that all ;-0))

 

[4_4_2]

It's roughly 350 miles from London to Glasgow. In the states that would be a nice 5 hour ride with 1 stop for fuel. What do you need luggage for? They do make these really neat things called back packs ya know...8rfl@

A Bergen would not be enough luggage for my missus for a day trip! not putting that on MY back thanks.......8rfl@

 

[Wolfie]

It's roughly 350 miles from London to Glasgow. In the states that would be a nice 5 hour ride with 1 stop for fuel. What do you need luggage for? They do make these really neat things called back packs ya know...8rfl@

YEr cant average 70mph here without doing some go to jail speeds, plus it would be 2 stops for fuel for most as well as their little lights come on at 130 -160 miles, so new pants needed trying to get 175miles from a tank, the resulting arse gripping would produce shit loads of arse sweat which in a rain proof suit boils away and transfers its stench to the rest of yer clothing so new clothes needed as well, the m1 is still being upgraded only taken approx 7 yrs so far, so maybe a sleeping bag needed as well for a quick couple of hrs knip to let the traffic ease. Then when you get to glasgow you think what the fook am I going here so ride straight through it and into the trossachs, once there morag the b&b lady hears your accent and pushes the price up 300% before you even get in the door, so you ride on further, find some woods to camping , so tent needed now, and torch to scare Off the three legged creatures called haggis. If the torch dies work, the large bowie knife is the only thing that kills them. Then you need a stove to cook them with, some nice clean water to drink.

to sum up you need at least 3 tanks full of petrol, tent, sleeping bag, bowie knife, two sets of clothing, camp stove, water etc etc just for a trip to Glasgow, which after the first time you will never visit again if you can can help it

 

[1BadBird]

YEr cant average 70mph here without doing some go to jail speeds, plus it would be 2 stops for fuel for most as well as their little lights come on at 130 -160 miles, so new pants needed trying to get 175miles from a tank, the resulting arse gripping would produce shit loads of arse sweat which in a rain proof suit boils away and transfers its stench to the rest of yer clothing so new clothes needed as well, the m1 is still being upgraded only taken approx 7 yrs so far, so maybe a sleeping bag needed as well for a quick couple of hrs knip to let the traffic ease. Then when you get to glasgow you think what the fook am I going here so ride straight through it and into the trossachs, once there morag the b&b lady hears your accent and pushes the price up 300% before you even get in the door, so you ride on further, find some woods to camping , so tent needed now, and torch to scare Off the three legged creatures called haggis. If the torch dies work, the large bowie knife is the only thing that kills them. Then you need a stove to cook them with, some nice clean water to drink.

to sum up you need at least 3 tanks full of petrol, tent, sleeping bag, bowie knife, two sets of clothing, camp stove, water etc etc just for a trip to Glasgow, which after the first time you will never visit again if you can can help it

First, throw the bitch off the back or tell her to get her own sled. LOL Now, I take it you are serious about only getting 175 miles out of a load of fuel and that to me is unreal. I clear 200 statute miles (5,280ft per unit)just under the 6 US gallon mark meaning 128 ounces per gallon. Crusing at 75mph with no throttle play I get roughly 36mpg at that speed but if you bump it up to around 85mph I can almost hit 38mpg. At 85 i'm holding at about 4400rpm. Dang, 175 miles? If I am really jumping all over the throttle 175 miles would require 6.1 gallons as the mileage will drop to below 30mpg.

 

[1BadBird]

Do you folks really get a night in jail for 70mph if you get popped? Here we have speed limits on the open road of 85mph. Jail would be anything 100mph and over but there is a no chase policy in Nevada and the gheto birds (coper chopper) top speed is only 170 anyway. get caught and you get citations for exhibition of speed, failure to yeild and the speeding citation itself which will cost you the bike and about $5,000usd.