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fat bert
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OK - so what the real deal?
Is there a difference?
Let start the [serious] debate?
Is there a difference?
Let start the [serious] debate?
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Welcome to the new B.I.R.D. Forum. Please be sure to read the "New Member / New Registered ? Please Read" thread in the Coffee Shop. This contains some important information. To become a full member ( £5.90 a year ) simply click on your user name near the top on the right I hope you enjoy the new site ................ Jaws ( John )
Having owned both types I guess I am in a good position to compare.
The EFI ones are WAY more juicy.. Best I have ever got from the EFI is about 45, best from the carbs 52
The Efi ones SEEM to be a little twitchier and tend to be less forgiving than the carb ones ( if you measure the two, there is a differnce in castor angle twixt the very early birds and the EFI ones, even though that is NEVER mentioned or even Acknowledged by Honda !! )
The finish on both types is excellent, though I have never liked the black wheel look on any bike, and on the Bird it really is, to me, a blunder on Hondas part. The Bird is a BIG slab sided, plain looking bike. In fact it has gotta be one of the most understated designs around... Having black wheels as per the carb version makes it look ( to me ) bigger and heavier than it really is.
I reckon the brake bias on the later bikes is a lot better. Cannot remember the percentages, but must admit that the later bike does stop nicely ( not that the old one did not stop well you understand, just the 'feel' of the brakes on the newer bike seems better )
What else.... oh, the reg rec on the later ones is a slightly better design, not relying on a contact area to disipate heat, but being equiped with more ally heat sink and some finning...
Of course there is also the issue with ( particularly ) the late 1999 and Y2K bikes re the left hand exhaust can... Although the sub frame is within tolerences it is often far enough out to cause the l/h can to JUST touch the swing arm..
There was so loads of bullshit floating around as to the cause ( heavy passengers, centre stand clouting the rubber stop, bent footpeg hangers etc etc ) , it is a shame that Honda did not just admit there was a ( very ) slight problem which is easily rectified, instead of all the crap !!
So, given I have had both, what would I have now if I could chose..
Might surprise you to know I would most likely plumb for a carbed one.. but only if I could have it with the later wheels and Y2K blue colour. :-:
The EFI ones are WAY more juicy.. Best I have ever got from the EFI is about 45, best from the carbs 52
The Efi ones SEEM to be a little twitchier and tend to be less forgiving than the carb ones ( if you measure the two, there is a differnce in castor angle twixt the very early birds and the EFI ones, even though that is NEVER mentioned or even Acknowledged by Honda !! )
The finish on both types is excellent, though I have never liked the black wheel look on any bike, and on the Bird it really is, to me, a blunder on Hondas part. The Bird is a BIG slab sided, plain looking bike. In fact it has gotta be one of the most understated designs around... Having black wheels as per the carb version makes it look ( to me ) bigger and heavier than it really is.
I reckon the brake bias on the later bikes is a lot better. Cannot remember the percentages, but must admit that the later bike does stop nicely ( not that the old one did not stop well you understand, just the 'feel' of the brakes on the newer bike seems better )
What else.... oh, the reg rec on the later ones is a slightly better design, not relying on a contact area to disipate heat, but being equiped with more ally heat sink and some finning...
Of course there is also the issue with ( particularly ) the late 1999 and Y2K bikes re the left hand exhaust can... Although the sub frame is within tolerences it is often far enough out to cause the l/h can to JUST touch the swing arm..
There was so loads of bullshit floating around as to the cause ( heavy passengers, centre stand clouting the rubber stop, bent footpeg hangers etc etc ) , it is a shame that Honda did not just admit there was a ( very ) slight problem which is easily rectified, instead of all the crap !!
So, given I have had both, what would I have now if I could chose..
Might surprise you to know I would most likely plumb for a carbed one.. but only if I could have it with the later wheels and Y2K blue colour. :-:
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XXscraper
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Well....
But Jaws, why the carb one, is it just the handling?
PS what the fook is a 'castor angle twixt ' when it's at home :dunno:
Now my prefference, if it's just a choice between the two would have to be the Titanium one cos it looks sooooooooo luveley :k especially after stripping the swing arm down and cleaning all the nasty grease and poo of it :lick: shiney shiney shiney.
But Jaws, why the carb one, is it just the handling?
PS what the fook is a 'castor angle twixt ' when it's at home :dunno:
Now my prefference, if it's just a choice between the two would have to be the Titanium one cos it looks sooooooooo luveley :k especially after stripping the swing arm down and cleaning all the nasty grease and poo of it :lick: shiney shiney shiney.
Not just the handling mate... also the gas consumption.
As I tend towards fairly long rides ( I have been known to 'pop' to Liverpool, Minehead and such places... something like 400 miles round trips, and just to get a bacon butty or somesuch :} ) fuel economy is quite important to me...
I have never seen this mentioned anywhere, and it only came to light when I had cause to have a bike frame checked for alignment..
It was hung on the rack ( the frame ) and the guy sort of went.. ah, you seem to have a problem, the headstock is out..
His mate came up with a big thick book of words, pointed at the spec for the 96/97 models and then told me all was fine !
As I tend towards fairly long rides ( I have been known to 'pop' to Liverpool, Minehead and such places... something like 400 miles round trips, and just to get a bacon butty or somesuch :} ) fuel economy is quite important to me...
The angle the forks are in relation to the frame... The early ones stick out further ( only by a VERY small amount ) which makes the bike a litle easier to ride when I am in lazy mode :-:
I have never seen this mentioned anywhere, and it only came to light when I had cause to have a bike frame checked for alignment..
It was hung on the rack ( the frame ) and the guy sort of went.. ah, you seem to have a problem, the headstock is out..
His mate came up with a big thick book of words, pointed at the spec for the 96/97 models and then told me all was fine !
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XXscraper
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Hmmmmm
Ah ha, i see (said the blind man), so the extra power of the efi holds no interest with you as it would with me. Hey, i understand that its a small amount but when racing the doc up the drag strip every little bit helps :h
So the efi ones dont need such a big ride height spacer either then? The castor angle twixt affects the handling in the same way i pressume?
Ah ha, i see (said the blind man), so the extra power of the efi holds no interest with you as it would with me. Hey, i understand that its a small amount but when racing the doc up the drag strip every little bit helps :h
So the efi ones dont need such a big ride height spacer either then? The castor angle twixt affects the handling in the same way i pressume?
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petrosc
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FI or Carbs
You can have fun on both!!!!!!!!!!!!
FI no power delivery probs......................
Can have better fun with an SP1
You can have fun on both!!!!!!!!!!!!
FI no power delivery probs......................
Can have better fun with an SP1
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petrosc
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Or
A DUCATI 999
If you dont believe me, ask CYCLOPS....
A DUCATI 999
If you dont believe me, ask CYCLOPS....
Re: Hmmmmm
Wellllll...............
With a pretty big tail wind, the carb'd bike I had went thru the timing lights at 184.6 mph.. Quite obviously that was a one off freak incident caused by VERY favorable conditions.. but it did it nevertheless !
Best top speed from the current EFI I have ever seen is 174 mph ( indicated speed in excess of 190 )
Now I aint sure if you are taking the wee wee a bit XX !!
The word TWIXT when used as I have used it means inbetween..
nowt ( nothing ) more !!
And in fact it is really the opposite in that ideally a carb bike might need a 1mm bigger spacer to get it up to the same effect as a 6mm spacer has on the EFi bike..
But in all honesty I am being pretty damned picky and it is proly not something most folk would ever notice.. It was only the fact that I literally jumped from one bike to the other that I could detect any difference... And thinking back, even that could well have been the fact that the older bike had proper tyres on it ( 57's ) while the new one had the dreaded wooden D205's on !!
Wellllll...............
With a pretty big tail wind, the carb'd bike I had went thru the timing lights at 184.6 mph.. Quite obviously that was a one off freak incident caused by VERY favorable conditions.. but it did it nevertheless !
Best top speed from the current EFI I have ever seen is 174 mph ( indicated speed in excess of 190 )
Now I aint sure if you are taking the wee wee a bit XX !!
The word TWIXT when used as I have used it means inbetween..
nowt ( nothing ) more !!
And in fact it is really the opposite in that ideally a carb bike might need a 1mm bigger spacer to get it up to the same effect as a 6mm spacer has on the EFi bike..
But in all honesty I am being pretty damned picky and it is proly not something most folk would ever notice.. It was only the fact that I literally jumped from one bike to the other that I could detect any difference... And thinking back, even that could well have been the fact that the older bike had proper tyres on it ( 57's ) while the new one had the dreaded wooden D205's on !!
PsychoBikerBen
Psychotic Artworker. RIP
Jaws
Is this the same as 'rake & trail?'
Is this the same as 'rake & trail?'
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XXscraper
Guest
misread
Nooo, i wasne taking the wee wee, i asked what 'castor angle twixt' was and you told me so i pressumed the twixt bit was included....honest :dunno:
regarding the spacer thing, i think you will find that i had it the rightway round, you must have misread :t for what it's worth.
PS your not being picky as we are discussing differences and they are differences never the less.
Nooo, i wasne taking the wee wee, i asked what 'castor angle twixt' was and you told me so i pressumed the twixt bit was included....honest :dunno:
regarding the spacer thing, i think you will find that i had it the rightway round, you must have misread :t for what it's worth.
PS your not being picky as we are discussing differences and they are differences never the less.
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fat bert
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Petrosc~~Cyclops~~?
What the hell would Cyclops know about riding the 999?
He's never ridden one!
I can see him managing 3000 miles to Monza on a 999?? Yeah sure!!!
And as for the SP1 - thought this was about Birds?
Power Delivery? To you that a Kebab Delivery Bike isn't it
What the hell would Cyclops know about riding the 999?
He's never ridden one!
I can see him managing 3000 miles to Monza on a 999?? Yeah sure!!!
And as for the SP1 - thought this was about Birds?
Power Delivery? To you that a Kebab Delivery Bike isn't it
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XXscraper
Guest
Re: Jaws
No Ben, a rake is a gardening tool and a trail is what a snail leaves behind (or a woman with no legs).
good grief, i dunno :dunno:
No Ben, a rake is a gardening tool and a trail is what a snail leaves behind (or a woman with no legs).
good grief, i dunno :dunno:
PsychoBikerBen
Psychotic Artworker. RIP
:} :} :B
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petrosc
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Re: Petrosc~~Cyclops~~?
:f I dont expect you to understand POWER DELIVERY Fatious Bebertious...........
3,000 RPM is your fooking limit!!!!!!!!!!!!!:f
:f I dont expect you to understand POWER DELIVERY Fatious Bebertious...........
3,000 RPM is your fooking limit!!!!!!!!!!!!!:f
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fat bert
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I've offered~~~
Cyclops a ?100 bet that he NEVER owns a 999 Duke
He declined the bet - draw your own conclusions?
All wind and piss
Cyclops a ?100 bet that he NEVER owns a 999 Duke
He declined the bet - draw your own conclusions?
All wind and piss
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XXscraper
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Bollox posted in the wrong place again.
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Having a lot of imaginary rain in your neck of the woods today????
You must be really, really bored to be reading threads this old!!!
:violin:
You must be really, really bored to be reading threads this old!!!
:violin:
stan the man
you are not capable
oiiii mac.......
FI is only shite......
on a black bike!!!!!!!!! :neenaw: h1d1ng2 d04l1ng
FI is only shite......
on a black bike!!!!!!!!! :neenaw: h1d1ng2 d04l1ng
stan the man said:
As the proud owner of a Black FI I can honestly say.....
Lumpy's a faggot & Welshmen ride gay blue ones.
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