• Welcome to the new B.I.R.D. Forum. Please be sure to read the "New Member / New Registered ? Please Read" thread in the Coffee Shop. This contains some important information. To become a full member ( £5.90 a year ) simply click on your user name near the top on the right I hope you enjoy the new site ................ Jaws ( John )

Bloody doctors!!

ianrobbo1

good looking AND modest
I had a stroke back in 2011, since then I've been feeling pretty shit most/all of the time, this I put down to said stroke and "it'll take time to get better" advice from all that know, :dunno: now after a chat with a neighbour and a good read of the leaflet that comes in the pill box, it seems my medication is responsible for how I'm feeling, weight gain and a loss of muscle from all areas!! apparently I'm on the cheapest "statin" pills going, and that all the doctors are aware that for a high percentage it's detrimental to their health, including ME!!:rant: I've been back to the bastards lots of times complaining about how lousy I feel all the time to be given the "your recovery takes time" shit, so when I went in this morning I saw a "locum" (SP) and he was amazed at the notes that had been made about me, and cancelled my Atorvastatin from today,and in two weeks time he will be putting me on a proper supervised course, something the tight twats should have done in the first place, might I suggest anyone that takes the word of a "professional" take another look at what they are actually doing about anything, as with most things it'll be down to budget!! :rant:

And yes I know I "should" have read the leaflet, but who does?? :dunno:
 

americanexpress

Registered User
I had a stroke back in 2011, since then I've been feeling pretty shit most/all of the time, this I put down to said stroke and "it'll take time to get better" advice from all that know, :dunno: now after a chat with a neighbour and a good read of the leaflet that comes in the pill box, it seems my medication is responsible for how I'm feeling, weight gain and a loss of muscle from all areas!! apparently I'm on the cheapest "statin" pills going, and that all the doctors are aware that for a high percentage it's detrimental to their health, including ME!!:rant: I've been back to the bastards lots of times complaining about how lousy I feel all the time to be given the "your recovery takes time" shit, so when I went in this morning I saw a "locum" (SP) and he was amazed at the notes that had been made about me, and cancelled my Atorvastatin from today,and in two weeks time he will be putting me on a proper supervised course, something the tight twats should have done in the first place, might I suggest anyone that takes the word of a "professional" take another look at what they are actually doing about anything, as with most things it'll be down to budget!! :rant:

And yes I know I "should" have read the leaflet, but who does?? :dunno:


Actually, the cheapest statin is called Simvastatin. Like you I was on an additional agent, but it was stopped because the bean counters at the PCT decided it was too expensive: consequently my cholesterol rose to over 7, so we appealed the decision but the rude buggers havent even had the courtesy of replying.

Incidentally, I always read the leaflets enclosed with the medications, but discard it because you have to balance the benefits with the contra indications.

I presume you possibly have a GP training practice, where they often have locum registrars, they suggest all sorts but when they move on in four months the next one up ends whatever advice you have been given.

I wish you luck with your recovery.
 

Rheumatoid

B.I.R.D Intellectual
simvastatin here. it is the entry model. not sure if it makes me feel a bit knackered or its just old age. been on it for nearly 10 years. my mum couldn't tolerate it and they gave her something else. i might ask gp next time about a change to one of the more modern ones with less side effects (for most people!)
 

ianrobbo1

good looking AND modest
The locum is here because he's covering maternity leave, apparently the doctors don't follow pregnancy control either!:-0) and now the ball is rolling so to speak it's going to be bloody hard for them to put the genie back in this particular bottle!!b0x1
 

KevXXW

Registered User
I am also on Atorvastatin, though now the dose is reduced to 20mg, which seems to have reduced the side effects I suffered.

I started on 80mg, and like you, I had real problems after a couple of months with muscle wastage and pain. My doctor also failed to mention any of this when I was complaining of the problems I was getting over a number of appointments for nearly a year, and it was only when I talked to someone else that I found out about these side effects, and on the next appointment basically demanded that he do something, which resulted in no pills for a couple of months, when that proved my muscles were improving I was given the 20mg dose and have been OK since.

Doctor kept telling me that the Atorvastatin is the most effective at reducing the cholestrol, but I have no idea of what is truth or what is bollocks as I am not a medic :dunno:
 

noobie

Clueless in most things
Atorvastatin 80mg here for a year and the best they could do was reduce it from 9.3 to 6.7 but I always felt like an old man, not to date you understand just my physical well being.

Stopped taking them 2 months ago and informed doc who pointed out the risks as he was right to do. I said years of feeling shit wasn't worth it and until they find a pill that stops death I am reducing my medication inputs.

I don't think it's the doctors that want to dish out meds like smarties but I do feel sometimes THEY feel we want the meds because it's easier than being told oi you fat coont, exercise more and change your diet.
 

Quiney

Registered User
Well, listening to doctors is akin to believing what you read on the internet!
They try to tell you that only very few (1 in 10 or even 1 in 100) suffer any side effects. Just about everyone I have ever talked to has had some side effects, especially the muscle pain/wastage.

The odd thing is that over 50% of people who have heart attacks also have NORMAL cholesterol levels! and even more odd, some 75% of people with HIGH cholesterol NEVER have a heart attack!

Your body produces 2mg of cholesterol every day! far more than you could ever take in through your diet. Cholesterol is used to repair damage to your arteries,and is therefore needed.


I was whacked on the 'magic 4' drugs following my heart attack and subsequent bypass. Statins, asprin, beta-blockers and ace-inhibitors.
After muscle ache, allergic reactions and a massive dose of personal research, I now don't take any prescribed drugs. Have a healthy blood pressure and a cholesterol figure that the practice nurse is envious of!


Hmmm... looks like you've found my hobby horse :lol:
 

Quiney

Registered User
I've lifted this off another site that I follow.

Ticking time bomb

Over the past 5 years, our regular readers have heard all the horror stories about these cholesterol-lowering statin drugs. I'm talking about the fact that they increase the risk of type 2 diabetes, cause muscle damage and they deplete CoQ10 ? the antioxidant that's indispensable to heart health... and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

The truth is, countless studies have demonstrated the numerous side effects of statin drugs ? even those that did not set out to do so, like the controversial JUPITER study.

JUPITER was one of the largest statin studies ever conducted. In 2008, the researchers of the study published overwhelmingly positive results on the effects of cholesterol-lowering statin drugs. This prompted doctors to go on a prescription frenzy, and they prescribed this so-called 'wonder drug' to millions of patients? even healthy ones!

Two years later, in 2010, a group of doctors and researchers, led by Dr Michel de Lorgeril from France, stepped forward and accused JUPITER researchers of producing "flawed" trial results and of having commercial interests in the drug tested. It turned out that all these claims were true and, as a result, the JUPITER researchers admitted that the benefits of statins may have been exaggerated.

Since then, statin therapy has very much proven to be a train wreck.

Okay, your doctor may still claim that the benefits of statin drugs outweigh the risks... but that's what mainstreamers usually do when a precious drug, that earns Big Pharma millions, is starting to go down a slippery slope.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: Eventually, statins will prove to be the biggest drug scandal and Big Pharma cover-up of our time... and there is absolutely no reason why you should be a part of it.

Other than the side effects mentioned earlier, here are a few more that have surfaced just in the past six months:

* Kidney damage: Canadian researchers studied more than two million statin users and found that they were at a 34 per cent greater risk of being hospitalised with acute kidney problems within 120 days of starting treatment with high-dose statins.

* Dementia and memory loss: Recently, the American Food and Drug Administration (FDA) changed the safety information on statin labels to warn patients that these drugs can cause memory loss and cognitive decline.

* Cancer: A Canadian Medical Association Journal study linked low LDL cholesterol levels to cancer. In 2007, a Journal of the American College of Cardiology study also recognized the link.

* Joint pain: The most recent study, published online by the journal JAMA, found that statin users had a higher likelihood for developing musculoskeletal diseases and dislocation, strain sprain or pain.

In a study, published in March this year in the Annals of Internal Medicine, researchers tracked more than 100,000 statin users for nine years. During the study, 17 per cent of the participants reported side effects. That is 17,000 people who developed conditions like type 2 diabetes, kidney damage and dementia. Conditions they did not have to start with.

If you consider that 7 million Britons are taking statins and if 17 per cent of them suffer from side effects... well... then you have 1.19 million people who have developed new health problems because of these drugs...

...And still the mainstream wants us to believe that statins save lives.

Oh yes, and let's not forget that cholesterol actually is an essential part of our bodies' biological function and that having it lowered to ridiculously low levels is unnatural and may be harmful.

Ask your doctor what he thinks about that.
 
D

Davey Bee

Guest
Ok, a very interesting thread, but what are the real alternative to statins?
 

Quiney

Registered User
You have to ask yourself do you really need to reduce your cholesterol.

If you feel that you need to, and you don't/can't do it with diet and exercise, then I would opt for the plant sterols.
 

Stevebrooke

Knee up, wheel down
Club Sponsor
Might I suggest porridge instead of statins. I'm not being flippant and here's my story.

I went for my routine eye test about 12 months ago, part of which was a photo of my retina. He showed me the photo and commented on the state of the small arteries at the back of my eye - in perfect condition with nothing sticking to the artery walls. I cycle a fair bit to keep fit but my diet isn't particularly healthy as I eat a lot of ready meals and other frozen stuff. Oats are known to lower cholesterol so I'm putting my healthy arteries down to this.

Just a thought.
 
D

Davey Bee

Guest
If you don't count the wine, my diet is fairly healthy. I really don't like processed foods. However I'm sat on my first prescription for statins. To be honest these last 6 months have been my most physically inactive for possibly my whole life. I'm back at work next week and intend to change some of that by walking home more often and cutting down on the unhealthy pleasures. I think I'll also do more research on the statins.
 

Quiney

Registered User
Just google 'problems with statins'
There are growing concerns that they're not the great silver bullet that was originally thought.
 

ianrobbo1

good looking AND modest
Thanks to you all for your positive input!! @tu* I notice one or two other things in John's post ref symptoms, and need to add the joint problems, and definitely memory loss!! :)-( and not just the "what did I come upstairs for" type!! as my job as an HGV driver is a bit responsible :whi5tl: 38 tonne trundling around behind me, I really feel I should be in tip top condition so as not to be the cause of any accidents, so for everyone's sake will be pursuing the diet options as from tonight!! :dunno:

and again thanks!! @tu*
 

derek kelly

The Deli lama
Club Sponsor
I eat what I like & probably exercise less than I should although I'm quite active, my Cholesterol level is 3.2.
Bev is on simvastatin as her level is 9.5.
From the early 70's I have been a sun worshipper using only f2 oil, the hotter the weather, the more I like it.
Bev uses f50 & shades herself when the sun is out, she got skin cancer a few years ago.
My eldest brother hides from the sun yet he got skin cancer.
My father smoked from the age of 11 & gave up when he was 68 as he developed pneumonia, he lived to 91, one of his brothers never smoked & died of lung cancer at the age of 71.
Life is a lottery, if we listened to all the bullshit about what is good & bad for you we would be just eating grass.
Years back they said butter was causing heart attacks now they are saying it's margarine that can cause heart attacks, they haven't got a clue & just promote whatever's trendy at the time.
 
C

Chris26

Guest
3 good fry ups a day not a problem, just keep beans and egg apart on plate (big plate if possible) use a sausage to divide them, always follow meal with a intercourse @tu*@tu*
 
Top